The Old Body?

[Sunnie]

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

The body is the seed?

(King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The spirit is not sown but returns back to God who gave it
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I do wonder what the purpose in planting the old body in order to get the new one from the dead one that has been sown.We are created in God's image.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

So does this mean God is only Spirit
John 4:24 >>God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
I think that I understand this as while we are here in this flesh we are to walk in faith because with our natural minds and natural eyes we can neither see nor understand the things of God because
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

This must be why Jesus said:
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

But I still believe we were made in God's image and He became flesh and Jesus is the first fruit and has been raised incorruptible.

Acts 1:3 After his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.


1 Corinthians 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

So I believe God has a body that is raised from the dead (Jesus) but I don't understand why our new body must come from the body we now have,the body that is flesh and then dies

[Hootmon]

The body is the seed?

Sort of. Jews of that time believed that when a seed was planted the seed died and was resurrected as the living plant.

The spirit is not sown but returns back to God who gave it

The Spirit is the part of man that can commune with God as it is of the same 'essence' as God.

I do wonder what the purpose in planting the old body in order to get the new one from the dead one that has been sown.We are created in God's image.

God is Spirit, and so is His 'image' in man, IMO.

So does this mean God is only Spirit

Im not sure you can use the word 'only' in relation to God's attributes, but that is His primary being.

I think that I understand this as while we are here in this flesh we are to walk in faith because with our natural minds and natural eyes we can neither see nor understand the things of God

That's why Jesus was the only fitting sacrifice for all of mankind. His flesh made Him like us, but His ability to be totally reliant on the Father was based in His Spirit.

But I still believe we were made in God's image and He became flesh and Jesus is the first fruit and has been raised incorruptible.

I know that there are some here who would disagree with me on this point, but I believe that Jesus looked like a man because men look like men and not the other way around.

So I believe God has a body that is raised from the dead (Jesus) but I don't understand why the new body must come from the body that was flesh and then died

We will ultimately become higher than the angels because, while mere flesh, we believed God, whereas the angels, who knew God personally from their beginning, doubted.

[Hootmon]

Another thing...

All resurrections are 'physical'. The word Resurrection means 'to stand up again'.

[Sunnie]

Sort of. Jews of that time believed that when a seed was planted the seed died and was resurrected as the living plant.


The Spirit is the part of man that can commune with God as it is of the same 'essence' as God.


God is Spirit, and so is His 'image' in man, IMO.


Im not sure you can use the word 'only' in relation to God's attributes, but that is His primary being.


That's why Jesus was the only fitting sacrifice for all of mankind. His flesh made Him like us, but His ability to be totally reliant on the Father was based in His Spirit.


I know that there are some here who would disagree with me on this point, but I believe that Jesus looked like a man because men look like men and not the other way around.


We will ultimately become higher than the angels because, while mere flesh, we believed God, whereas the angels, who knew God personally from their beginning, doubted.

Yes some will disagree on the point in saying Jesus looked like a man so that He would appear as a man looks.However He does appear different in the way John described in the book of Revelation.However My question is why must the new body be raised from the old body?

[Hootmon]

However My question is why must the new body be raised from the old body?

Because our 'old body' is a large part of what makes us who we are.

Moistened clay > Living Man > Glorified Child of God.

We are still in the process of being created.

[iSong6:3]

However My question is why must the new body be raised from the old body?

Because our 'old body' is a large part of what makes us who we are.

Moistened clay > Living Man > Glorified Child of God.

We are still in the process of being created.

We are created as men and women with a physical body as part of who we were designed to be, some say two parts, I think it's three - body, soul and spirit.

If I'm understanding you correctly, Sunnie, if God were to give us new *other* bodies when we are glorified, we wouldn't be the *us* God created us to be.

Also, God uses analogies that most of the world will understand, being agrarians, but we might have to delve a bit since we tend to be citified. Yet we usually cannot take the analogies too far, they are only analogies.

Another thing, some of us won't be planted in the ground to be resurrected, we will be changed in an instant without seeing death, so it's not true of every person that they must be sown to reap incorruption. Again, it was just an analogy.

[Sunnie]

Because our 'old body' is a large part of what makes us who we are.

Moistened clay > Living Man > Glorified Child of God.

We are still in the process of being created.

This is true.A seed planted does not reflect what plant springs from the ground out of the seed.
Jesus used the seed as an example in his parables.My favorite is the mustard seed

Mark 4: 30 And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?
Mark 4:31 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:
Mark:4:32 But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of

I realise this scripture is about Faith but if we are sown as a seed having faith then we will be raised without corruption and God will never leave us and you get any greater then being a child of God.
But we first must be sown having the faith of a mustard seed

[Sunnie]

We are created as men and women with a physical body as part of who we were designed to be, some say two parts, I think it's three - body, soul and spirit.

If I'm understanding you correctly, Sunnie, if God were to give us new *other* bodies when we are glorified, we wouldn't be the *us* God created us to be.

Also, God uses analogies that most of the world will understand, being agrarians, but we might have to delve a bit since we tend to be citified. Yet we usually cannot take the analogies too far, they are only analogies.

Another thing, some of us won't be planted in the ground to be resurrected, we will be changed in an instant without seeing death, so it's not true of every person that they must be sown to reap incorruption. Again, it was just an analogy.

Isn't that wonderful that some of us could be changed in an instant however the body we have now is what is changed.Going back to why we must be changed or resurrected from this body we now have?
Whatever may be the reason that we will be changed or resurrected from this body is just my deep pondering on God's word.I thank God for His Son Jesus that made it possible for any of us to be changed or resurrected.Thank you all for your thoughts on God's word!

[Hootmon]

The body's flesh is a 'tabernacle'. Its a temporary dwelling place.

We need something more permanent for Eternity.

[Sunnie]

The body's flesh is a 'tabernacle'. Its a temporary dwelling place.

We need something more permanent for Eternity.

That brings me to another thought in believing that since we are the tabernacle in which God's Spirit dwells I do not believe we who will be raptured will ever see the rebuilding of the temple in Israel but that's a subject for another thread.However I could be wrong about this.We shall watch and have to wait to see.

[iSong6:3]

Isn't that wonderful that some of us could be changed in an instant however the body we have now is what is changed.Going back to why we must be changed or resurrected from this body we now have?
Whatever may be the reason that we will be changed or resurrected from this body is just my deep pondering on God's word.I thank God for His Son Jesus that made it possible for any of us to be changed or resurrected.Thank you all for your thoughts on God's word!

Yes! It's so awesome!

That brings me to another thought in believing that since we are the tabernacle in which God's Spirit dwells I do not believe we who will be raptured will ever see the rebuilding of the temple in Israel but that's a subject for another thread.However I could be wrong about this.We shall watch and have to wait to see.

Probably not; there are many who believe part of Israel's covenant with the AC will include the right to build the Temple.

[HeIsEnough]

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

The body is the seed?

Maybe think of it more as timing. We start here, we end there. It also has to do with "The Plan"

1 Corinthians 15
⁴⁹ And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we^[g] bear the image of the heavenly man.

(King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

The spirit is not sown but returns back to God who gave it
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Ecclesiastes 12:7Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

I do wonder what the purpose in planting the old body in order to get the new one from the dead one that has been sown.We are created in God's image.
Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Christ planned on coming to this earth long ago. We are a part of the plan. The plan was first the natural (body), then the spiritual(body).

So I believe God has a body that is raised from the dead (Jesus) but I don't understand why our new body must come from the body we now have,the body that is flesh and then dies

We needed to be born human, in the flesh, like Adam. Then we can be born of Christ, and given a new body. I hope its soon!

[Hootmon]

I hope its soon!

[Steve53]

Whatever may be the reason that we will be changed or resurrected from this body is just my deep pondering on God's word.

Perfection requires perfect bodies. (Yeah, I know somewhat over simplified, but I'm tired. )