Moment of the Rapture Undetectable to Secular People?

[IMSAVED]

Looks like CNN believes in a partial rapture

I am lovin that picture

[Justicea]

If people who were made aware of the gospel, (of who Jesus is, His purpose, God The Father's future plan to deal with sin and finish it, which includes pouring out His wrath on this corrupt world, and that those who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior and submit to God's will above their own and commit to righteousness, will not only be spared God's wrath during a time called The Tribulation, they will be spared eternal damnation, forever and ever in the lake of fire) and they understood all of that, yet they still chose, sanely, to willfully reject Jesus, reject salvation, it would firstly make God a liar, if they were able to change their stance after The Rapture, and the tribulation has started, standing as proof of what those people were told but willfully refused to believe it, because God's very word says you can't crucify Jesus twice.

Furthermore, it would make God a hypocrite, if we're told to believe and repent now, not later, to be saved, but then He goes and allows people who again, willfully rejected Christ, willfully refused to repent, to get a second chance at redemption, once He's pouring out His wrath. Knowing that many would be going to Him for the wrong reason, which is simply put, to be spared from anymore torment, especially the torment of eternal hell. While there's nothing wrong with wanting to be spared eternity in hell, that shouldn't be the single motivating factor that leads a person to Christ.

Based on God's word it is my understanding that aside from the Jewish people who are currently blinded, whom God will save during the tribulation, the only other ones who are going to gain salvation after The Rapture, are the children of those left behind who aren't currently saved, who upon revelation of the gospel to them, will accept salvation; along with those who heard the gospel before The Rapture, but who didn't accept salvation, per how the gospel says one becomes saved, yet they didn't reject Christ either.

I know people who believe in who Jesus is, they even pray to Him, but they haven't accepted salvation, they haven't made Him their Lord and Savior, and they aren't fully abiding in God's word as far as how to live according to righteousness. They have good intentions, they speak and do that which is good, but good intentions and good words/deeds aren't what saves a person.

[Dan the Elder]

Wow! Over a hundred replies on this thread -- really got the blood pressure stirring!!!

I was thinking about the general conception of what the rapture will be like. Most of us would like to think of it as a "mass - exodus" causing chaos and confusion world-wide. Then these verses of scripture came to my mind.

Mat 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it."

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord!' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven."

I'm just saying ~~ it may not be as much of a "mass - exodus" as we would like!
It is so important that we have our own "lamps trimmed" - doing the "will of the Father". It is urgent that we do our best to witness and reach everyone we can, before that day comes. I can't say it enough - - -
PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY

God Bless,
Dan

[RandallB]

Wow! Over a hundred replies on this thread -- really got the blood pressure stirring!!!

I was thinking about the general conception of what the rapture will be like. Most of us would like to think of it as a "mass - exodus" causing chaos and confusion world-wide. Then these verses of scripture came to my mind.

Mat 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the road is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who go through it. How narrow is the gate and difficult the road that leads to life, and few find it."

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord!' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in heaven."

I'm just saying ~~ it may not be as much of a "mass - exodus" as we would like!
It is so important that we have our own "lamps trimmed" - doing the "will of the Father". It is urgent that we do our best to witness and reach everyone we can, before that day comes. I can't say it enough - - -
PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY - WITNESS - PRAY

God Bless,
Dan

I am praying and one of the things that I am praying for is that people do not think that "Doing the will My Father in heaven" or keeping our own "lamps trimmed" means anything except "Believing in the One that He has sent". This is the only condition for participation in the Mass-Exodus.

Rewards will be handed out at the Bema Seat for the witnessing and other works/fruits of the Spirit.

[24thchance]

Since the voice of the "rapture" is a 3 part blend of spiritual sounds:
!.The Lord,s shout
2.the voice of the archangel
3.the trump of God
This event besides being instant will also be completely silent to ones without spiritual ears since all 3 parts are spiritually related and concerned.

The transformation from physical to spiritual will be instant,and once outside our physical realm the spiritual ascent off this physical earth will be as slow or as quick as deemed proper by the Master.As to a visible image of this event,It may be possible since all 3 parts af the call are spiritually heard(audio),not visual but I would imagine unless one had the highest speed camera,s running at the best lighting and angles the event will not be attainable on film,and if perhaps this call could be captured on film(God allowing this of course) one would have a visual record of this event so very valuable that 1.-- very few or a single copy would be possessed and 2.-- it would be confisicated immediately by the authorities for "safekeeping"

To the lost we wll simply vanish into nothingness,causing untold problems at every single level of society ,moral,spiritual,legal,financial and emotional.Many new laws will immediately come into being concerning property, individual rights may be suspended for a time. I am sure forums like these and others will be studied for possible answers by the ones left behind.

[RandallB]

Since the voice of the "rapture" is a 3 part blend of spiritual sounds:
!.The Lord,s shout
2.the voice of the archangel
3.the trump of God
This event besides being instant will also be completely silent to ones without spiritual ears since all 3 parts are spiritually related and concerned.

The transformation from physical to spiritual will be instant,and once outside our physical realm the spiritual ascent off this physical earth will be as slow or as quick as deemed proper by the Master.As to a visible image of this event,It may be possible since all 3 parts af the call are spiritually heard(audio),not visual but I would imagine unless one had the highest speed camera,s running at the best lighting and angles the event will not be attainable on film,and if perhaps this call could be captured on film(God allowing this of course) one would have a visual record of this event so very valuable that 1.-- very few or a single copy would be possessed and 2.-- it would be confisicated immediately by the authorities for "safekeeping"

To the lost we wll simply vanish into nothingness,causing untold problems at every single level of society ,moral,spiritual,legal,financial and emotional. Many new laws will immediately come into being concerning property, individual rights may be suspended for a time. I am sure forums like these and others will be studied for possible answers by the ones left behind.

I wonder if O will feel that it is enough of a crisis to enact any of the dozens of Exec Orders that he has been signing like a drunken sailor the past few years???

[Wally]

So with our clothes left behind......

its an even better reason to make sure you listen to Mom....

Wear Clean Underware!

[tbrian40]

iSong, thank you for all the information. Now I really understand what you mean. I do understand there is a fulness of things, so the fulness of the gentiles really made sense. So that got me mulling things over again...you're right about the fulness of the gentiles, I feel I'm right about the rapture being the Lord's taking the Bride out of the way so He can unleash His wrath but there's even more. What if it's also the time when God thinks Israel has had enough time and enough proof, and He decides to shift His focus back on to her? Couple that with the belief that at the end of 6000 years, the end of the age of man is supposed to happen, and the Millenial Kingdom of Jesus (the Sabbath Millenium?) is to be ushered in? What if it's all these things put together?!? What if there's even more to it than that? More than any of us can imagine or know?

When I was in Israel, we visited Tel Dan. I learned the word "Tel" means that there is at least one city built on top of the ruins of another city. Some 'Tels' have quite a few layers. The more I reflect on and mull over His Word, the more layers I see in it. It's like a Tel. A person can keep digging and digging and get more and more out of it. Now I'm seeing the different layers that trigger the rapture and the tribulation, and I'm wondering what more is there that I've missed and once again, my head is spinning.

If painters like Picasso, Van Gogh, Kincade created masterpieces in layers (only mortals, of course)...how much more (unimaginable) for our Creator and heavenly Father?!

[IMSAVED]

I was thinking about something today and it would not leave my mind for some strange reason.I think that when the rapture happens their will be alot of pastors,chaplains and priests left.Alot of people will think that the rapture is not a religious event because all of these supposedly Christian people are left behind.So the rapture will then be defined as some UFO or other event that took us out.

[Carrie Grace]

I was thinking about something today and it would not leave my mind for some strange reason.I think that when the rapture happens their will be alot of pastors,chaplains and priests left.Alot of people will think that the rapture is not a religious event because all of these supposedly Christian people are left behind.So the rapture will then be defined as some UFO or other event that took us out.

Oh definitely! There will be many people claiming to be Christian saying, "It wasn't the Rapture, because I'm still here." Or, "because I was baptised" or "because I'm a good person" or "because I go to church almost every Sunday. "

It will be heartbreaking. Many will at first be confused, then sad, then angry with themselves...many more will be angry with God.

To the rest of the world "this rapture talk is loony-tunes. There is no such thing! You're crazy if you think God zapped people away to save them--from what? Some divine punishment? Hahahaha! That's a real knee-slapper right there! Nuh-uh, it was clearly aliens."

They will believe in aliens, rather than God.

[Shannon9602]

I was thinking about something today and it would not leave my mind for some strange reason.I think that when the rapture happens their will be alot of pastors,chaplains and priests left.Alot of people will think that the rapture is not a religious event because all of these supposedly Christian people are left behind.So the rapture will then be defined as some UFO or other event that took us out.

That's what I'm afaid of. How will the rest of the world know the difference between who are real Christians and not real Christians after the rapture?

[HeIsEnough]

How will the rest of the world know the difference between who are real Christians and not real Christians after the rapture?

Well, the ones that are gone, real christians.

The ones after the rapture that don't take the mark and/or are martyred for their faith, real christians.

I do know what you mean, but I don't think the explanations will hold much water. How lame will it be when some supposed 'pastor' or something tells people "well, those who have disappeared are not real christians, people like me are of course!" Just doesn't seem like it will convince many with that sort of excuse. But hey, people believe what they want, and I'll bet there are people out there who still think the moon is made of cheese, whaddya gonna do.

[jjmundt]

I was thinking about something today and it would not leave my mind for some strange reason.I think that when the rapture happens their will be alot of pastors,chaplains and priests left.Alot of people will think that the rapture is not a religious event because all of these supposedly Christian people are left behind.So the rapture will then be defined as some UFO or other event that took us out.

I just listened to "The Coming Global Transformation" (which I got from a good friend), an MP3 that plays out a "Pre-Rapture-to-Post-Rapture" scenario. The clergy that missed the Rapture in this little drama acted just the way you indicated.

Interesting.

Every day I go to work, I wonder if today is the day my bike becomes riderless or my car driverless.

Come quickly, Lord Jesus!!!

[Verisimilitude]

I was thinking about something today and it would not leave my mind for some strange reason.I think that when the rapture happens their will be alot of pastors,chaplains and priests left.Alot of people will think that the rapture is not a religious event because all of these supposedly Christian people are left behind.So the rapture will then be defined as some UFO or other event that took us out.

Yes, there will be many so called 'men and women of God' left behind. People who were never born again, for our Savior said:

John 3:3 ...Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

How many people, supposed Christians included, think of Born Again Christians as radical, out there, militant, nuts? How easy will it be for the masses of people to be convinced that we're the ones who are gone because the earth just couldn't stand us anymore?

Thinking about all the false pastors left behind reminds me that the majority of their congregations will suffer the same fate. People who knew no one as a pastor except someone like Benny Hinn for example, have never met the Savior. A lot of us have relatives for instance who belong to the rcc and won't change because they're convinced that the rcc is the only way to Christ, via Mary, purgatory, sacraments, etc. My opinion is that some of these people are immediately going to give their lives to Christ and start denouncing the false pastors and false religions. Most of the rest may well be given the message from false teachers that they are the meek who have just inherited the earth.

There is so much more going through my mind right now, but I gotta think on it more. I do have one burning question that I would love to see everyone's opinion on:

What will left behind prosperity preachers be preaching when it costs a full days wages just to feed oneself for a day?

[HeIsEnough]

How many people, supposed Christians included, think of Born Again Christians as radical, out there, militant, nuts? How easy will it be for the masses of people to be convinced that we're the ones who are gone because the earth just couldn't stand us anymore?

I just gotta think that at that time, when people in this country hear or see what happened, they'll know, they'll have that dreadful sinking feeling that they were wrong, and God did indeed leave them here. That won't mean people won't flock to those who are here to cheer them up, allow them to self deceive into thinking its all not what they know it is. Don't know really, but I do certainly feel people will size the whole thing up rather quickly, and then be very worried. At some point, some certain one will come along and make it all better, make them feel like they are worshiping "God" by worshiping him.

What will left behind prosperity preachers be preaching when it costs a full days wages just to feed oneself for a day?

They'll change the "sow your seed" from being money, to "sow your seed", meaning send me food.

[Buzzardhut]

I just gotta think that at that time, when people in this country hear or see what happened, they'll know, they'll have that dreadful sinking feeling that they were wrong, and God did indeed leave them here. That won't mean people won't flock to those who are here to cheer them up, allow them to self deceive into thinking its all not what they know it is. Don't know really, but I do certainly feel people will size the whole thing up rather quickly, and then be very worried. At some point, some certain one will come along and make it all better, make them feel like they are worshiping "God" by worshiping him.



They'll change the "sow your seed" from being money, to "sow your seed", meaning send me food.

Correct, look at how those Crefloe Dollar people keep throwing dollars at his ministry of apostasy, and look at how all these purpose driven seeker and emergent churches are fooling congregations, and all those silly ridiculous paperbacks being used in bible studies, it will be a cake walk for satan to deceive the world.

[DragonTiger]

That is stink movie "Skyline" (I already watch several months ago) I dont like it becasue it describle like destroy everything people.

It is false no use..

But the people will label UFO to be consideration as Rapture

[savedatcamp]

What about during sugery....the doctor and nurse will be freak of when person gone(rapture)Plus the women who have pregency when labor time baby rapture??? Cause chaos???


I am way past limit of world hurtful my soul a grief.

Chaos indeed DragonTiger .....
Just reading the Christ Clone trilogy and in these books the body is left behind, they are just dead.
Wow, however it happens, I'm ready!!
All those who are reading this now.....Are you ready? Time is short.

[fan4sure]

Night before last my hubby went downstairs to use the bathroom. Knowing he'd be gone for awhile, I took off all my clothes and arranged them in my chair as if I disappeared, slippers, clothes with underwear inside. I then hid in my closet and waited. I could hear him running up and down the stairs of our three stories calling me. He went out on the front porch and the deck. Finally, he looked in the closet and as he opened the door I yelled: BOOOOO! He screamed like a girl. It was divine!!!

Okay.....I know I'm bad!

[Carrie Grace]

Night before last my hubby went downstairs to use the bathroom. Knowing he'd be gone for awhile, I took off all my clothes and arranged them in my chair as if I disappeared, slippers, clothes with underwear inside. I then hid in my closet and waited. I could hear him running up and down the stairs of our three stories calling me. He went out on the front porch and the deck. Finally, he looked in the closet and as he opened the door I yelled: BOOOOO! He screamed like a girl. It was divine!!!

Okay.....I know I'm bad!

Oh my goodness, you are a stinker! If my darling husband were to do that to me, I confess, he would have two black eyes and be walkin' mighty funny. Well, if I didn't have a heart attack first.