Chuck Missler on Romans: 1:18-32

[In Christ]

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I have been doing some personal research lately on the end-times specifically the Rapture. I am trying to piece all that is going on in the world today (small pieces and large) into a picture or puzzle if you will. I'd like to use this to help bring others to Christ before it is too late. I seriously believe we are near the time of the Rapture of the Church. So I feel compelled to do this Bible work. In my work I found an interesting video which is a montage of many speakers but it has a section by Chuck Missler that I wanted to point out. I do not want to post the link, because the title is mis-leading but here is the jist of it.

Chuck speaks of a personal revelation he has had. Chuck mentions that he has always preached 2 Chr 7:14 but does not know that he can preach it anymore as a result of what he has discovered. Chuck feels that God's primary jealousy is as his role as "Creator" not as "Redeemer". Chuck states there is a specific judgement of God that is poured out on nations that fail to acknowledge him as "Creator". Chuck goes on to show where this revelation came from. He specifically points to it in Rom 1:18-32. Check states "I thought these passages were always about homosexuality (only), but goes on to state this is not the case of you read the verses carefully. Chuck then explains that "3" times in those passages God states "because they did not recognize me as creator, I God... will give them over to homosexuality", that though the lifestyle is an individual choice but as a collective thing it is a judgement of God. He goes on the state "carefully" that as he picks up any paper he is beginning to suspect God's judgement may have already begun, that Sodom and Gemorrah was less about homosexuality than it was about the "Public" condoning and excepting it...

Ladies and Gentlemen where are we today??? Your thoughts? We are certainly getting closer and closer to hearing the trumpet...


Reference:

2 CHR 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land

Romans 1:18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them

　

[Iruntherace4Him]

This is not the first time I have heard this on Romans chapter one . not just from Missler but from other men of God .
I have heard that homosexuality is a judgment from God . Like
as if God gives certain people over to this because they have gone beyond His truths even concerning Him as Creator.
Not to say that all who practice this sin cannot be reached for Christ, because many have come out of that sin and have given their lives over to Christ to follow Him.

But God also shows us throughout the Bible that some are beyond salvation as Pharaoh, Sodom and Gomorrah and the land of Canaan. But look at Nineveh, they must not have gone beyond the salvation of the Lord . So who can say, only the Lord knows.

As far as Chuck Missler, he is always digging into the scriptures and
always searching . I never met such diligent ''Berean's'', like Chuck and Nancy Missler.
I have learned a lot from both of them and I have also learned to sift through some of what they proclaim the scriptures are saying.
Actually they have made me a better Berean.

[In Christ]

This is not the first time I have heard this on Romans chapter one . not just from Missler but from other men of God .
I have heard that homosexuality is a judgment from God . Like
as if God gives certain people over to this because they have gone beyond His truths even concerning Him as Creator.
Not to say that all who practice this sin cannot be reached for Christ, because many have come out of that sin and have given their lives over to Christ to follow Him.

But God also shows us throughout the Bible that some are beyond salvation as Pharaoh, Sodom and Gomorrah and the land of Canaan. But look at Nineveh, they must not have gone beyond the salvation of the Lord . So who can say, only the Lord knows.

As far as Chuck Missler, he is always digging into the scriptures and
always searching . I never met such diligent ''Berean's'', like Chuck and Nancy Missler.
I have learned a lot from both of them and I have also learned to sift through some of what they proclaim the scriptures are saying.
Actually they have made me a better Berean.

I agree with you! I have always enjoyed Chuck and Nancy and admired Chucks deep research capabilities. I find the topic of God's judgement to be fascinating. The wrath that God will pour out during the tribulation dwarfs the judgements that may be occuring now. I think O's proclamtion on Gay marriage prompted Chuck to did a little deeper...

[RandallB]

I have many Chuck tapes and DVD's. Love his Beyond DVD series. Being an engineer the Quantum Physics stuff is extremely informative and not a bit mystic as some have charged. Also really have benefited from his 66/40 radio/internet commentary ministry.

I totally believe that there will be different levels of rewards at the Bema seat. Some will even smell a bit smokey it seems.

However, I have a real problem with Chuck's and Nancy's teaching that some of the Bride will be relegated to Outer Darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for the duration of the MK. They call it being part of the Overcamers.

They have mixed up mail that is intended for the Trib Believer with the Bride's mail.

[acceptedintheBeloved]

However, I have a real problem with Chuck's and Nancy's teaching that some of the Bride will be relegated to Outer Darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for the duration of the MK. They call it being part of the Overcamers.

They have mixed up mail that is intended for the Trib Believer with the Bride's mail.

Agreed! Excellent caution.

[Buzzardhut]

However, I have a real problem with Chuck's and Nancy's teaching that some of the Bride will be relegated to Outer Darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth for the duration of the MK. They call it being part of the Overcamers.

They have mixed up mail that is intended for the Trib Believer with the Bride's mail.

Yes, a Christian Purgatory.

Not all of Missler is safe for believing.

[In Christ]

Yes, a Christian Purgatory.

Not all of Missler is safe for believing.

Agreeing with you all, Chuck is a great minister, but sometimes I have to do a double-take, but then I cannot find any of our teachers that are perfect. We can learn lots from all of them, but we still have to use a certain level of discernment.

[Chris]

Yes, a Christian Purgatory.

Not all of Missler is safe for believing.

Yeah, I'd be careful of "personal revelations" as well. Chuckie is not a prophet.

Chuck speaks of a personal revelation he has had. Chuck mentions that he has always preached 2 Chr 7:14 but does not know that he can preach it anymore as a result of what he has discovered.

Of what he "discovered" that no one else ever saw? I'm always weary of that kind of "new revelation" from people.

[In Christ]

Yeah, I'd be careful of "personal revelations" as well. Chuckie is not a prophet.



Of what he "discovered" that no one else ever saw? I'm always weary of that kind of "new revelation" from people.

I do agree we are charged to use discernment... I just found it interesting, coming from Chuck...

Pro_15:2 Folly is joy to him who is destitute of discernment, But a man of understanding walks uprightly.

[iSong6:3]

First, I'm a huge Missler fan, I used to go to his Tuesday night Bible studies. One thing about Chuck, he's not afraid to go out of the box. It results in much fresh and good while still being Biblical. Other things he's just in the ozone about. I learn to tune him out at those times. In other words, he's uneven - when he's good he's really good, when he's off he's really off. Listen to him with loads of discernment.

In Christ, did he say this was his own personal revelation or are those your words to describe it?

At any rate, I don't know if we can say God is *more jealous* of His being known as Creator than Redeemer - I can't recall a Bible verse that indicates that - but it's clear He does demand acknowledgement as Creator. Romans 1 is one place we see that.

Another is the command for the Jewish people to keep the Sabbath. It is patterned after His work in creation, six days of labor, the seventh to cease from labor. He wanted to ingrain in His people every week that He is Creator.

[araj54]

Yeah, I'd be careful of "personal revelations" as well. Chuckie is not a prophet.



Of what he "discovered" that no one else ever saw? I'm always weary of that kind of "new revelation" from people.

He didn't suggest that no one ever saw it. He said he himself was understang romans 1 incorrectly.

So your weariness is for naught.

[Jan51]

In other words, he's uneven - when he's good he's really good, when he's off he's really off. Listen to him with loads of discernment.

I agree. I also often find him condescending. And his wife's writings are heavy into psychology.