Bath Salts drug mimics Demonic possession

[HikerLady]

Societies recent obsession with the undead, zombies is the flavor of the moment

Actually I was thinking of starting a thread about this very thing... does anyone know WHY zombies and vampires are being mentioned so often in society these days? I always considered zombies on a par with Godzilla or the tooth fairy, nonexistent in other words.
And does anyone know why the skull & cross bones icon is being used so often on everything from kids' tee shirts to purses?? Isn't that a symbol of death? I just don't get it.

[Accepted]

I do not know if bath salts were involved in this recent case, but the horrible incident in Miami recently in which a homeless man (named Ronald Poppo) was attacked sounded like demon possession to me. A good deal of his face was "chewed" away, including an eye. The attacker was also unclothed. If that is not an expression of Satan, I don't know what is. It reminds me that our battle is in the spiritual realm, and we need to be salt and light in this dark world. I seem to need that reminder from time to time, so I don't get complacent or battle-weary (which I'm prone to do).

[TimothyK]

I do not know if bath salts were involved in this recent case, but the horrible incident in Miami recently in which a homeless man (named Ronald Poppo) was attacked sounded like demon possession to me.

It was bath salts that the user willingly took. As a result, he voluntarily took leave of his sanity. Drugs make people do all kinds of terrible things that can seem quite demonic in origin!

But alas, it was just a man.

It wasn't demon possession. Nothing supernatural about it. Sorry, it's not any more complicated then that.

Actually I was thinking of starting a thread about this very thing... does anyone know WHY zombies and vampires are being mentioned so often in society these days? I always considered zombies on a par with Godzilla or the tooth fairy, nonexistent in other words.
And does anyone know why the skull & cross bones icon is being used so often on everything from kids' tee shirts to purses?? Isn't that a symbol of death? I just don't get it.

It was mankind that made Satan a red man with horns and it was mankind that invented the idea of zombies and vampires. Our Bible shoots down all of the above.

The mercy of God can be known as thus: He takes pity on creatures that inspire the devils, mankind who invents new ways of sinning whom the demons capitalize on and invest!

Man all natural is a handservant of Satan.

They are like his children and he a strange kind of father figure, a leader, a task master, a slaver. He's subtle in his abuse. He certainly plays favorites, but there's a sin for everyone! Everyone's invited!

If you belong to this world, Satan will have a barracks for you. You'll have a place somewhere. Maybe you can workout a better place for yourself, if you make daddy happy, if you try a little harder.

The disturbing things that trouble you as a child of God that you see in the secular world, society absent of God, are just other people acting in accordance with their nature; the nature of their father, Satan.

[$teve]

It was bath salts that the user willingly took. As a result, he voluntarily took leave of his sanity. Drugs make people do all kinds of terrible things that can seem quite demonic in origin!

But alas, it was just a man.

It wasn't demon possession. Nothing supernatural about it. Sorry, it's not any more complicated then that.

You can't deny that demonic possession and oppression of human beings is a reality? The bible is full of examples. Perhaps drug use being one of many avenues that exposes the human mind and soul to demonic possession / oppression / influence is debatable. I have read of people practising witchcraft and the occult effectively aided with drug use. Then as they mature in the practise, they don't need to use the same amount of drugs, or any at all, to obtain the level of access where previously they only could with drugs.

[Sea Shelly]

You can't deny that demonic possession and oppression of human beings is a reality. The bible is full of examples. Perhaps drug use being one of many avenues that exposes the human mind and soul to demonic possession / oppression / influence is debatable. I have read of people practising witchcraft and the occult effectively aided with drug use. Then as they mature in the practise, they don't need to use the same amount of drugs, or any at all, to obtain the level of access where previously they only could with drugs

[Wally]

Just to clarify for some readers (Wiki):

Methylenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV) is a psychoactive drug with stimulant properties which acts as a norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor (NDRI). First developed in 1969, it remained an obscure stimulant until around 2004 when it was reportedly sold as a designer drug. It is also known as Cloud 9, MDPK, MTV, Magic, Maddie, Black Rob, Super Coke, PV and Peeve. Products labeled as "bath salts" containing MDPV are sold as recreational drugs in gas stations and convenience stores, similar to the marketing for Spice and K2 as incense.

Incidents of psychological and physical harm have been attributed to MDPV use.

[pixelpusher]

"Peeve" seems to be the most apt name for this drug.

[gma dolittle]

Actually I was thinking of starting a thread about this very thing... does anyone know WHY zombies and vampires are being mentioned so often in society these days? I always considered zombies on a par with Godzilla or the tooth fairy, nonexistent in other words.
And does anyone know why the skull & cross bones icon is being used so often on everything from kids' tee shirts to purses?? Isn't that a symbol of death? I just don't get it.

There are no such thing as "living dead" zombies, vampires, etc. It is a trend today from books, music, videos, games, movies that satan has planted. More and more kids (and adults) are joining these satanic groups. Remember when ghosts, UFO's were all the rage? When I was a kid, (Moses and I, as my grandson says that I used to eat supper with Moses) but when I was young, Dracula, Werewolf, Frankinstien, etc. were movies we saw, but we did not do as a group of kids do today, file thier teeth and bite each other to suck their blood. When I was a kid, everyone we knew took their families to church so we knew these were just like fairy tales. Today kids don't go to church and can't really distinguish reality to make believe. Satan has control They are the next generation to make laws and lead our country. I hope Christ comes for me before our country is ruled by a vampire!

[Wally]

Vampires hunger for flesh, they represented a soul who cursed God and received damnation to continue as a blood fed nocturnal beast.

Now with the Twilight movies, people romantizise what was once a monster.

But then the devil has done that with so many evils and sins. We just didin't understand....we weren't enlightened.


Whereas zombies flipped between horror and comedy, now with all the books and hoopla out - I wonder will it remain a fad,

or is it prepping a generation to hunt down and kill these toxic creatures called: Christians.....before they spread their plague?

I do find it in poor taste to find zombie-apocolypse ammo(real ammo) at the gun stores.

[IMSAVED]

Vampires hunger for flesh, they represented a soul who cursed God and received damnation to continue as a blood fed nocturnal beast.

Now with the Twilight movies, people romantizise what was once a monster.

But then the devil has done that with so many evils and sins. We just didin't understand....we weren't enlightened.


Whereas zombies flipped between horror and comedy, now with all the books and hoopla out - I wonder will it remain a fad,

or is it prepping a generation to hunt down and kill these toxic creatures called: Christians.....before they spread their plague?

I do find it in poor taste to find zombie-apocolypse ammo(real ammo) at the gun stores.

Interesting thought.

[TimothyK]

You can't deny that demonic possession and oppression of human beings is a reality? The bible is full of examples.

Never did. It would be impossible for me to deny such things happen. But then that's not what happened here.

Perhaps drug use being one of many avenues that exposes the human mind and soul to demonic possession / oppression / influence is debatable. I have read of people practising witchcraft and the occult effectively aided with drug use. Then as they mature in the practise, they don't need to use the same amount of drugs, or any at all, to obtain the level of access where previously they only could with drugs.

Do people who take drugs to control their sanity or to gain mental clarity for example experience such incidents? Are users of Ritalin more susceptible to demonic influence?

Are you prepared to argue that negative? You want to tell Heather she needs to stop taking her meds?

The evidence, common sense testifies to the fact that what's happened isn't supernatural in origin with relation to bath salts: it's a chemical one influenced by the individual user, a choice.

If you or anyone else would argue otherwise, the burden is on you to make the case for this being an instance of demonic possession based on the facts.

Do you suppose Rudy Eugen had a history with the occult? Or maybe his drug crazed mind was influenced by the demon called ZAN?

(Zombie Apocalypse Now )


God knows the truth of it whatever it is, but this side of Heaven the reasonable thing to assume based on what we can know is that he was just a self-made monster. A drug induced cannibal.

He's definitely not the first and he'll not be the last I'm sure.

[Sea Shelly]

The evidence, common sense testifies to the fact that what's happened isn't supernatural in origin with relation to bath salts:

Really, then 'where' is the extra human strengths coming from?

There was another case, and they needed 6 men to get the attacker off a body!

And the face-eating monster was shot at, but kept on chewing the face!!!

Remember the Bible story about the wild naked man that lived at the tombs that cut himself with sharp stones, and no chains could hold him back.....


I see it as the combinations of those mind-altering drugs with demon possession!!! Why, is it so hard for a Christian to believe that? When we have examples in the Bible of it happening there....

[$teve]

Never did. It would be impossible for me to deny such things happen. But then that's not what happened here.



Do people who take drugs to control their sanity or to gain mental clarity for example experience such incidents? Are users of Ritalin more susceptible to demonic influence?

Are you prepared to argue that negative? You want to tell Heather she needs to stop taking her meds?

The evidence, common sense testifies to the fact that what's happened isn't supernatural in origin with relation to bath salts: it's a chemical one influenced by the individual user, a choice.

If you or anyone else would argue otherwise, the burden is on you to make the case for this being an instance of demonic possession based on the facts.

Do you suppose Rudy Eugen had a history with the occult? Or maybe his drug crazed mind was influenced by the demon called ZAN?

(Zombie Apocalypse Now )


God knows the truth of it whatever it is, but this side of Heaven the reasonable thing to assume based on what we can know is that he was just a self-made monster. A drug induced cannibal.

He's definitely not the first and he'll not be the last I'm sure.

I'm not arguing otherwise only to say that in this instance, with regard to the Miami incident, that there was the possibility of demonic influences / possession / oppression caused from whatever drugs that guy had ingested. It may well of been purely chemical imbalance, or as I suggested in one of my previous posts, psychological compromise and physiological damage to organs causing hallucinations and distorted perceptions of reality much like what occurs with people who drink salt water if trapped at sea. My 'case' is not about to fall into the abyss regardless of what the actual causes were because I'm not adamantly holding to one particular viewpoint here. Hence there is no burden on me to prove anything to anyone.

[$teve]

I see it as the combinations of those mind-altering drugs with demon possession!!! Why, is it so hard for a Christian to believe that? When we have examples in the Bible of it happening there....

I've often wondered likewise. Now just to be clear, I'm not directing this at TimothyK as he acknowledges that demonic possession happens. We have many biblical examples. But there are a lot of Christians who don't believe it or accept such as any valid ministry of the church. I beg to differ.

Some years ago I got involved in one myself. The manifestations were undeniable. The person was not on any drugs in this instance. The person was and still is a Christian. At the time, this person was having some trouble with her faith and walk. I was just responding to her prayer request. Within seconds a hoarsy voice from her started arguing at me as I started to pray. When I asked her to pray with me she couldn't even utter the name of Jesus. In short it was quite the encounter and eventually this spirit let go and she was fine. I should mention here that I don't believe this was 'possession'.

Now I shared this with a number of people, a few Christian and others not. The typical response of those unbelievers was one of "she must be a crack pot", "must of been on drugs", or "it was simply all in her and your head". Funny though, some unbelievers were actually quite shocked at the anecdote, preferring to only mention it in private.

Why do I mention this? Because sadly, and perhaps tragically, many Christians would rather agree with what the world asserts as fact on these issues, denying any possible demonic or spiritual root cause in all cases. That such encounters are the fables of the dark ages. That science and modern medicine has now ruled out any such obsolete diagnoses. In fact, this whole devil stuff is just the absurd fantasies and imaginations of the mentally ill and emotionally disturbed.

[Nate928]

I always wondered if those exorcist movies had any truth in them.. I just don't understand how a demon could invade this temple. I guess that's what happens when you dont put on the full armor of Christ?

[Shannon9602]

I beleive that taking drugs...the person knows the effect it does on you so you openly allows the demonic possession to happen. The person made the choice and its almost like saying "Hey come on inside" without realizing. They know the stuff is not good for you and again they choose to take it besides those who take it for medicine reason. And when they take it, they usually take large amount, not small what the doctor orders. When a person that is pagan or wiccan dabbles into that stuff with drugs in their system... again they made a choice... they allowed the use of drugs place into their body to open themselves to demonic spirit. That is their goal. They knew the drug will enhance the activities of the spirit. They knew!! You are right it is all about choice and sometime that choices open up a strong demonic spirit. When someone kill another human being while having the drug in their system, are you saying they are not demonically possessed but they are just chemically imbalanced because of the drugs? IMO, some drugs are demons and demons comes in all shapes and forms.

[TimothyK]

Now just to be clear, I'm not directing this at TimothyK as he acknowledges that demonic possession happens. We have many biblical examples. But there are a lot of Christians who don't believe it or accept such as any valid ministry of the church. I beg to differ.

Some years ago I got involved in one myself. The manifestations were undeniable. The person was not on any drugs in this instance. The person was and still is a Christian. At the time, this person was having some trouble with her faith and walk. I was just responding to her prayer request.

Within seconds a hoarsy voice from her started arguing at me as I started to pray. When I asked her to pray with me she couldn't even utter the name of Jesus. In short it was quite the encounter and eventually this spirit let go and she was fine. I should mention here that I don't believe this was 'possession'.

I'm sorry, that's not Biblical.

[Verisimilitude]

I always wondered if those exorcist movies had any truth in them.. I just don't understand how a demon could invade this temple. I guess that's what happens when you dont put on the full armor of Christ?

Once a person has elected to make Jesus Christ their Savior, they are filled with and indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Were all the demons of hell to band together and try to take over that Christians body, they would not be able to, for the Holy Spirit is God, the Third Person of the Holy Trinity and as such, He is all powerful.

In spite of this, demons can still influence a Christians life. Not only can they cause a person trouble (ever have those days when nothing goes right, you drop everything and it all seems for nothing?), they can whisper in our ears. They can influence us through 'subliminal advertising' so to speak with demonic messages that if acted upon, can lead us to do things we know we shouldn't. The serpent spoke openly to Eve, today, demons are much more subtle.

Drugs are something that can weaken any person and make them more susceptible to demonic suggestions, or for non-Christians, to actual demon possession. We very much need the full armor of God, He alone can strengthen and protect us and that is one of the responsibilities of His Holy Spirit, our Comforter and our Helper. The more power we give the Lord in our lives and the more we protect ourselves with His armor, the less power demons have to influence us to sin. They can still bother us and cause us trouble, and we will still sin, but like the Word says, "resist the devil and he will flee from you".

On the subject of "bath salts" in particular, I can't help but wonder if this drug is turning people into cannibals, or if this drug is making people susceptible to demons who have the job of turning people into cannibals. Drugs can ruin anyone's life all by themselves, but if as I believe they make one easier for demon possession, even on a temporary basis, it wouldn't be surprising.

Knowing we are in the end times and thinking about this drug in particular, I think the case for temporary demon possession can be made. The super human strength like the man in Gadarenes had is only one clue. The drug causes the takers to be hot and take off their clothes, again as the man in Gadarenes went about naked as well as untamable. Finally, demons hate God and us because we are made in His image. It is no small wonder that people on this drug turn into cannibals. It's a most disgusting way to destroy and desecrate God's image.

There is a warning in the Old Testament to do "pharmakeia". It's the word from which we get pharmaceuticals. It doesn't say the reason but every law either honors God, protects us or both. What if the prohibition against pharmakeia was there to prevent demon possession?

[Tall Timbers]

It was bath salts that the user willingly took. As a result, he voluntarily took leave of his sanity. Drugs make people do all kinds of terrible things that can seem quite demonic in origin!

But alas, it was just a man.

It wasn't demon possession. Nothing supernatural about it. Sorry, it's not any more complicated then that.

This is how I'm inclined to understand this as well. We sometimes give Satan credit where man himself is utterly responsible. If we're stupid enough to take these drugs and commit acts such as we've heard of, demon's time is better spent going after others who aren't yet so totally disposed to self-destruction.

[TimothyK]

Really, then 'where' is the extra human strengths coming from?

There was another case, and they needed 6 men to get the attacker off a body!

And the face-eating monster was shot at, but kept on chewing the face!!!

Being under the influence of a psychotic that inhibits the ability to feel pain can certainly make someone appear to be superhuman, but in reality the person isn't any bit stronger then they were prior to the drug.

Proverbs 23:35
You will say, They struck me, but I was not hurt! They beat me [as with a hammer], but I did not feel it! When shall I awake? I will crave and seek more wine again [and escape reality].

The exception being excited delirium, which is an adverse reaction with the drug that can kill the user. Even then, this increased strength is explained away as an adrenaline rush.

People that are near to dying or find themselves in a do or die situation tend to get such moments. It's a base instinct or else a will to live.

Remember the Bible story about the wild naked man that lived at the tombs that cut himself with sharp stones, and no chains could hold him back.....

Why, is it so hard for a Christian to believe that? When we have examples in the Bible of it happening there....

It isn't hard for me to believe in demonic happenings at all. You just don't know.

It is hard for me to believe that folks are so eager to write off a man doing bath salts as 'demonic'. You're attributing a very natural even mundane event (guy on drugs goes psychotic) to a supernatural source.

Stop that. Mind your witness. The world is watching.

There is nothing here right now to suggest a demonic event. Was he tempted, suggested, influenced, etc? Sure. Possibly. God knows the truth of that.

But no, a demonic supernatural event did not occur.

Stupid man syndrome (SMS) happened. Foolish choice to do a relatively toxic and unknown 'designer drug' occurred. No demons required.

But I'm sure they're pleased with the result and will capitalize on the ordeal if the reaction in people is any indication.