Abraham born in year 1948 from creation Israel became nation in 1948 AD

[acceptedintheBeloved]

I just read an article that also shows that the bible predicted 1948 as the re-birth of Israel... found that interesting too!

Cool, isn't it? I've posted articles about that very thing, a number of times. The Bible also predicted the events regarding [the recapturing of] Jerusalem in 1967, 2520 biblical years from 518BC (the Temple rebuilding).

God's Word is so very exciting! Amen!

[HeLives]

Maybe I am confused, but do these calculations seem to show that each child was born the year that the previous person died??? Please clarify for me. Thx!

In order to shorten the amount of scripture I only used supporting scripture to show how old the father was when the his son was born. I did not include how long each man lived after his son was born or how old he was when he died.

[acceptedintheBeloved]

God's Word is so very exciting! Amen!

Let me correct myself, here. It is all that... and so much more. (Colossians 1:18)

[james46888]

Adam created at the beginning
Year 130 Seth is born Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness,
after his image; and called his name Seth:
+ 105 years Gen 5:6 And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:
year 235 Enos is born
+90 Gen 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan
year 325
+70 Gen 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel:
year 395
+ 65 Gen 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared
460
+162 Gen 5:18 And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch
622
+65 Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
687
+187 Gen 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:
874
+182 Gen 5:28-29 And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah,
1056
+500 Gen 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
1556
+100 Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the
1656 month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows
of heaven were opened.
+2 Gen 11:10 These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two
1658 years after the flood:
+35 Gen11:12 And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah:
1693
+30 Gen 11:14 And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber:
1723
+34 Gen 11:16 And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg:
1757
+30 Gen 11:18 And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu
1787
+32 Gen 11:20 And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug:
1819
+30 Gen 11:22 And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor
1849
+29 Gen 11:24 And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah
1878
+70 Gen 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran.
1948

+75
2023

Gen 12:1-4 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred,
and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee: 2And I will make of thee a great nation,
and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing: 3And I will bless them
that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was
seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

As has been noted by others, there's some debate about the chronology in Genesis. See: http://creation.com/biblical-chronogenealogies & http://www.tektonics.org/lp/oldabe.html

[HeLives]

As has been noted by others, there's some debate about the chronology in Genesis. See: http://creation.com/biblical-chronogenealogies & http://www.tektonics.org/lp/oldabe.html

I went to the website you site. This is in the first paragraph, last sentence "There is no justifiable reason to believe in gaps within the chronogenealogies of Genesis, as the arguments presented for such views are denied by contextual, linguistic and historical analysis. "

[Ovicula]

Can you back up with scripture that Abraham was born in 2008? Gen 11:26 says that "And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran." They could have been triplets or twins and a single birth. My aunt gave birth to two children in 1962. The first one in January and the second one in December.

If this is a geneology tree you have a lot wrong with it.

First of all: I don't want to argue with you.

The list I've posted is correct.

It is a timeline from Adam to Jesus Christ, not a genealogical tree.

Neither Shem, Ham and Japheth were triplets nor Abram, Nahor and Haran.

The answer to this problem (Abraham born in 1948 or 2008) can be found in the New Testament only. Abraham was born in 2008.


Deduction:

0 a. H. < Adam * > (1. Generation)

Genesis 5:1
This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him


130 a. H. < Seth * > (2. Generation)

Genesis 5:3
And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth

0 + 130 = 130


235 a. H. < Enos * > (3. Generation)

Genesis 5:6
And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos

130 + 105 = 235


325 a. H. < Cainan * > (4. Generation)

Genesis 5:9
And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan

235 + 90 = 325


395 a. H < Mahalaleel * > (5. Generation)

Genesis 5:12
And Cainan lived seventy years, and begat Mahalaleel.

325 + 70 = 395


460 a. H. < Jared * > (6. Generation)

Genesis 5:15
And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared.

395 + 65 = 460


622 a. H. < Enoch * > (7. Generation)

Genesis 5:18
And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch.

460 + 162 = 622


687 a. H. < Methuselah * > (8. Generation)

Genesis 5:21
And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah.

622 + 65 = 687


874 a. H. < Lamech * > (9. Generation)

Genesis 5:25
And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

687 + 187 = 874


1056 a. H. < Noah * > (10. Generation)

Genesis 5:28-29
And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son: And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

874 + 182 = 1056


1656 a. H. < Flood >


Genesis 7:6
And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

1056 + 600 = 1656


1658 a. H. < Arphaxad * > (12. Generation)

Genesis 11:10
These are the generations of Shem: Shem was an hundred years old, and begat Arphaxad two years after the flood.

1656 + 2 = 1658


1693 a. H. < Salah * > (13. Generation)

Genesis 11:12
And Arphaxad lived five and thirty years, and begat Salah.

1658 + 35 = 1693


1723 a. H. < Eber * > (14. Generation)

Genesis 11:14
And Salah lived thirty years, and begat Eber.

1693 + 30 = 1723


1757 a. H. < Peleg * > (15. Generation)

Genesis 11:16
And Eber lived four and thirty years, and begat Peleg.

1723 + 34 = 1757


1787 a. H. < Reu * > (16. Generation)

Genesis 11:18
And Peleg lived thirty years, and begat Reu.

1757 + 30 = 1787


1819 a. H. < Serug * > (17. Generation)

Genesis 11:20
And Reu lived two and thirty years, and begat Serug.

1787 + 32 = 1819


1849 a. H. < Nahor * > (18. Generation)

Genesis 11:22
And Serug lived thirty years, and begat Nahor.

1819 + 30 = 1849


1878 a. H. < Terah * > (19. Generation)

Genesis 11:24
And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah.

1849 + 29 = 1878


2008 a. H. < Abraham * > (20. Generation)

Genesis 12:4
So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.


Terah died at age 205 in Haran.

Genesis 11:32
And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran.

Acts 7:4
So Abraham left the land of the Chaldeans and lived in Haran until his father died. Then God brought him here to the land where you now live.

After his father's dead, Abraham left Haran at the age of 75 years.


1878 + 205 - 75 = 2008

[HeLives]

I take no offense. Let's study the scriptures together and discover what they say! The King James Acts 7:4 is different then what you quote

Acts 7:2-4
And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

3And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee.

4Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

Breaking this verse into two parts:

4aThen came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran:
I read verse 4 to mean that Abram left his father alive in Haran.

4b when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

I read that to mean that when he heard his father was dead, he (Abraham) removed him (Terah's body) into this land, wherein ye now dwell.

Genesis 12:1 says Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

It says from thy father's house, not his grave. So based on this I believe that Abram did not wait until his father was dead to leave.

After all Joseph's bones were brought approximately 400 years after his death to Israel out of Egypt.

[james46888]

I went to the website you site. This is in the first paragraph, last sentence "There is no justifiable reason to believe in gaps within the chronogenealogies of Genesis, as the arguments presented for such views are denied by contextual, linguistic and historical analysis. "

Sorry, I should've been a little clearer. If you look at the first link and scroll down a little, you'll see they have produced a chronolgical table much like you but differing by 60-years because of the different interpretation of Genesis 11:26 and the age of Terah when Abraham was born. This is a well-known issue and the second link I gave deals solely with that issue.

[twisty58]

Ok wait...let me see if I'm getting this....carry the 2, divide by 48 and considering that Abraham was was walking at 2.5 miles per hour.....
ok. Never mind. I am NOT a math person. ;-)

[icebear]

maths

[Steve53]

In light of posting rule 11, what exactly is the point you are trying to make?

[JPE]

My reason for posting this was excitement of a new discovery for me. I found that Abram who was promised by God this nation of Jews was born in 1948. The nation for the Jews in modern times was founded in 1948 AD. Isn't this the Prophecy & End Times bulletin board?

There are many parallels in scripture. Don't you find it interesting that Jacob had twelve sons. Joseph being one of them, whom was his favorite, the firstborn of the wife he loved, was not an ancestor of Jesus. And Joseph the wife of Mary, his father was named Jacob. And this second Joseph is not an ancestor of Jesus.

The geneology of Jesus through Joseph is found in Matthew chapter 1

After you all get your math straight and put that to rest, please explain the parallels between the 2 Josephs. I don't see anything remarkable when I compare the two men. What am I not seeing?

[HeLives]

If and I say if this is a parallel in scripture....the rapture may not be as soon as some people think.

[Jlutz]

If and I say if this is a parallel in scripture....the rapture may not be as soon as some people think.

your going to have to explaine that.

[icebear]

If and I say if this is a parallel in scripture....the rapture may not be as soon as some people think.

imho, imminence dosen't work that way....

[HeLives]

After you all get your math straight and put that to rest, please explain the parallels between the 2 Josephs. I don't see anything remarkable when I compare the two men. What am I not seeing?

These were both men critical in the plan of God. The first Joseph, loved above all of Jacob's sons, was not the son which the line of David came. Judah, son of Leah, 4th born son of Jacob is the where the line of Jesus comes from.

Joseph, the husband of Mary, whose father was also named Jacob, from the line of David, was not the father of Jesus. He is the stepfather.

I was just showing that there are many parallels in scripture. There are a lot of hidden meanings in scripture. It just shows there is an author and none of this is happening by chance.

[icebear]

There are a lot of hidden meanings in scripture.

just be sure you don't look so hard for hidden meanings that you miss the plain simplicity

the Bible isn't a set of tarot cards

[HeLives]

your going to have to explaine that.

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

God called Abram out of "thy country, and from thy kindred and from thy father's house". When we get raptured we will be called, "out of thy country, and from thy kindred and from thy father's house."

[acceptedintheBeloved]

Ok wait...let me see if I'm getting this....carry the 2, divide by 48 and considering that Abraham was was walking at 2.5 miles per hour.....
ok. Never mind. I am NOT a math person. ;-)

<----- (I'm not laughing AT you, I'm laughing WITH you... )






Perhaps HeLives didn't mean "hidden meanings" as in the sense of tarot cards, but more like "types" and "patterns" that aren't readily seen... until maybe someone points them out.


ETA: Oh, and I think much of this would be (if it is) patterns pertaining to Israel's timing ("the end shall be at the time appointed [mow'ed]" - Daniel 8:19, 11:27, 11:35), not our rapture... and therefore (as pertaining to Israel) also would be figured in "biblical/prophetic" years of 360-days, as all time-prophecies pertaining to Israel do. Of course, as we know, our rapture happens first.

[james46888]

Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

God called Abram out of "thy country, and from thy kindred and from thy father's house". When we get raptured we will be called, "out of thy country, and from thy kindred and from thy father's house."

Maybe I'm muddled here, but in Gen 12 Abraham leaves his father's house, but at the rapture does not the opposite happen to us? Do we not not get raptured up to the father's house (heaven)?