Obama Care Survives

[Kenny]

If that's the way he was talking then what about the REST of us who didn't vote for Hussein-0bamamohammed?

Good Point.

[Musician in His house]

Let me ask this...how many here feel that Roberts did what he did to light a fire under conservatives and to get us off our butts before the election?

That seems to be the growing consensus among some pundits and observers. This way, he avoided Obama being able to campaign against an "activist" court and he put the whole thing back in the hands of the voters. In a way, he's playing the "long game." Now Obama and those who voted for Obamacare to begin with have to face this issue because their challengers will certainly bring it up at every opportunity. The last poll I saw listed it's unpopularity at 55%. If they campaigned on this issue alone, not to mention the bad economy (which they can tie in to this), high unemployment (which they can also tie in to this), and the issue of amnesty, Obama and the rest of the Dems would be in serious trouble. Several Dems are already planning to avoid the convention in Charlotte, and from what I understand, Dem fundraising is very low right now, while Romney brought in $4.2 million in less than 24 hours after the Obamacare ruling came down.

Three words to hammer the Dems with daily from now until the first Tuesday in November: "It's a tax."

I think that this might be the reason Roberts threaded this needle as finely as he did. He got the Court off the hook from being called "activist" (and you know Obama has sniped at them in the past) and called it on a technicality that Obama's lawyers first said it wasn't and then said it was. During the Court hearings, one day they argued that it wasn't a tax and the very next day they argued that it COULD be considered as a tax. I guess they thought they were covering all bases when they said it was covered under Commerce Clause, Necessary and Proper Clause, and tax -- if it didn't fly under all three, it would at least fly under one.

I've seen suggestions that Roberts might have been "gotten to." That might be a possibility too, and could be another reason he cut it so finely. He gave Obama what he wanted while at the same time gave Conservatives an issue around which to rally.

[Kenny]

I can be tin hatty in some respects and I firmly believe that Romney will do nothing to repeal any of this. I admit I have not read this whole thread, so maybe it has already been discussed, but Romney introduced this same thing to his state in Massachusettes! Why people think that he will do anything different is beyond me. Politicians lie. I believe Romney is lying to get campaign contributions. I hope I do eat my words here, but the 2 heads on the same beast "conspiracy" is spot on. TBTB are real and there will not be a president in office who won't follow orders. How else do you think the AC beast system will be established. It is happening incrementally and it astounds me that so many end times aware christian's don't even see it. We are being lied to and shammed by thinking that our votes matter. All that being said I will vote for no other reason that I can, but I know that nothing will change even if Romney is elected.

These words here will prolly taste like paper and ink(only if they are printed), if not they will taste like digital pixels.

[Buzzardhut]

We are being lied to and shammed by thinking that our votes matter. All that being said I will vote for no other reason that I can, but I know that nothing will change even if Romney is elected.

You still need to do your part and vote GOP to oust Obama and let the chips fall where they may.

[Tall Timbers]

Let me ask this...how many here feel that Roberts did what he did to light a fire under conservatives and to get us off our butts before the election?

I don't think that. Right now I don't think much of Roberts, but I'd think even less of him if what you suggest were the case.

[clemson]

Positive: step closer to rapture
Negative: my mquack physician won't take care of me, they'll euthanize me with my autism, medications (reflux, autism/add, asthma,eczema, sleep issues, etc) and conservatism as the icing. I can't imagine it fo people who are way worse off Han me like this lady @ my church. HARD AND FAST AND NOW

[EmmieAZ]

I don't think he is lying. He said he will repeal it, in whatever ways he can move that forward, I don't have any reason to not believe him.

I think the fact that he implemented essentially the exact same system in his home state, and the fact that he is running for the POTUS, is a very big reason to not believe what he says.

People here see it, but I don't think you see how the AC is of a very different order. He will claim to be God, with power to "prove" it. Its nothing like whats on earth today, you downplay that aspect by elevating these so called 'secret world powers' or whatever.

I don't believe the AC will come to power at the flip of a switch. I think the devil has been working on it for an awfully looooong time. Satan is not omni-anything, so he requires our help, I believe. A one world gov't will come, and America is a hinderance to that. I absolutely believe that we had to be infiltrated from within, otherwise not many Americans would go for it.



If you feel your vote doesn't matter, then why vote? Most here will, so what you say about it can only be construed as getting others not to vote. Tell me how else I should view what you say? As a believer, its not your job to ferret out secret conspiracies in this world, its just to do the simple thing of voting, render to the government what they desire, God will take care of the rest, He never gave us these things as something to worry about or get too worked up over.

I will continue to vote as a just in case our system has a little bit of life left in it. I believe that Romney would be better than Obama if what he says is true, but based on what he did in his own state, why should we believe he has had a change of mind. I think if the shoe were on the other foot, and Obama had done something this huge in Chicago and then said he wouldn't do it on a federal level, but gave no reasons why, every right winger would flip a lid and say "but he did it to his own state!" But since it is a repub flip flopping, everyone feels a false sense of safety.
BTW - I am not trying to discourage people from voting. But I would like to remind people that Romney did the exact same thing in his own state! Don't get your hopes up is all I am saying. Wet blanket, sure, but it's the truth. We are on a path of destruction and getting a rhino in will not change a thing. What other red flag do we need to realize that not only are we voting on the lesser of two evils, but that we as a people have been completely sold out by both political parties.

[EmmieAZ]

You still need to do your part and vote GOP to oust Obama and let the chips fall where they may.

Agreed and I plan on it. I'm just not expecting anything to change with Romney. It's like voting for king george or the pope - we are hosed either way.

[EmmieAZ]

These words here will prolly taste like paper and ink(only if they are printed), if not they will taste like digital pixels.

We'll see. I hope you are right though. That would taste better than an obamacare torch carried by romney. I would be thankful to be wrong, but I have no faith in any man and only hope in the Lord's return.

[clemson]

Because a decent chunk of this country wholeheartedly supports living under a dictatorship, either because they're "useful idiots" (like liberal college students, etc.) or because they have a special interest (unions, etc.). There's another chunk that just doesn't care but seems to lean left if pushed to state their beliefs (one of my Facebook friends said "we'll see what happens and see if it's good or not" but likes all statuses that praise the healthcare monstrosity ). The last chunk, the chunk which is made up of conservatives and conservative Christians, needs to be pushed pretty far to actually stand up for themselves with force. The colonists fought and died for much less. How is now any different from then? We're being taxed at an out-of-control level. We're beginning to see our basic freedoms taken away. How much longer before we're told which cars to buy, which food to eat, which books to read?

At school I have to eat govt approved food and read liberal "classics" and I don't ge a choice. I'd do a Todd Starnes book report If I could pick but I can't. Sigh.

[Mom2ten]

Guys...remember, we are in the very end of end times. Things are not going to get better, they are going to get worse. Romney surely is no white horse, but I don't think he stinks as bad as Obama does. If the Lord blesses us with a clear conservative mandate in November, and I mean Congress and Senate, maybe we can curb the tide a little for a short time. In another way think of this...our country really hasn't been in truly hard times until recently. We have been blessed. No matter what battles are happening here, the biggest one is a spiritual battle and we are to be in it. We were founded on Godly values and the battle is fierce because there are Godly people in the front lines fighting for the soul of America. We cannot just sit back and watch it happen.

[HeIsEnough]

think the fact that he implemented essentially the exact same system in his home state, and the fact that he is running for the POTUS, is a very big reason to not believe what he says.

And yet, I've heard his reasons why it happened, and I don't have any reason to not believe him why he would not agree to it for the entire US. It doesn't seem like you've listened to him on the subject much.

I don't believe the AC will come to power at the flip of a switch. I think the devil has been working on it for an awfully looooong time. Satan is not omni-anything, so he requires our help, I believe. A one world gov't will come, and America is a hinderance to that. I absolutely believe that we had to be infiltrated from within, otherwise not many Americans would go for it.

The Lord holds him back, and when the Lord removes His hand, he will be revealed. Which is why voting against him is what you should do.

I will continue to vote as a just in case our system has a little bit of life left in it.

Exactly. Vote, and leave the rest to the Lord. It could be that the Lord looks to what His people will do.

[tbrian40]

Let me ask this...how many here feel that Roberts did what he did to light a fire under conservatives and to get us off our butts before the election?

I don't believe that is the case. It was Roberts job to uphold the Constitution and he did not do this. It's interesting enough that back in 2008, emperor BHO promised to not tax the middle class--he has been lying ever since--and now the biggest doozy of them all. Socialized medicine. The oligarchy in American politics have got to end. Judges terms should be limited to a decade--mho. And these life-long senators make me sick!! They are getting rich off of our votes and polluting, destroying free enterprise...why do you think most of them know LAW? So they can distort it and change it for their own selfish aims or goals. I think I am done ranting but I am really sick of this and come November, I will be the first in the voting line--wild horses couldn't drag me away.

[BarbT]

Well it's become obvious the Liberals are all charged up now and it's all the more reason why Conservatives and Independents need to get to the polls in very large numbers ....

We will.

I freely declare here and now that my personal motivation for voting this year is different from all other years.

I will cast my ballot in defiance of Hussein, the arrogant closet Muslim who would be king.

This guy is not, never has been, and never will be my president.

[EmmieAZ]

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I do not believe him.. I think that he is trying to get vote like all other politicians. I firmly believe that no politician would make it this far if he/she were not sold out to the global agenda. If you believe that lobbyiests (sp?) can effect laws, how can you not believe that a much more powerful entity exists that can effect our POTUS? They will do what they are told.

Agreed. He will be "revealed" when the Lord removes His hand, but that does not mean that he hasn't been working diligently to lead up to the moment. You can agree that satan has been working to unravel society in many, many ways for many, many years right? Why do you think that politics, especially in a country that is probably an enormous obstacle to him, would be any different? No, I do not believe for a moment that this hasn't been planned. Romney's plan covered abortion.
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[Carrie Grace]

Let me ask this...how many here feel that Roberts did what he did to light a fire under conservatives and to get us off our butts before the election?

If he did that, and I don't think that he did, then he should be removed from the bench because that is not what he is there to do. He is there to make certain that the rule of law is upheld. He issued an absolutely tortured opinion that have constitutional scholars and lawyers scratching their heads and altered what the bill actually entailed to make it legal under the constitution. He should be looking over his shoulder for the tar and feathers that are due him. Though he was out there yucking it up for the MSM, joking about how he needs to go into hiding now. Yeah, har har. You are a really funny guy, Roberts. Grrrr.

What really puts the cherry on the sundae, is that O is out there, grinning like a cheshire cat, still claiming this isn't a tax, totally ignoring the SCOTUS ruling. So all that turning the penalty to a tax to make it pass constitutional muster, isn't going to amount to anything. He may just as well have slapped 0's hand instead. Same result. Roberts' opinion could have really been issued in two or three sentences: "You voted for him, and this is what he promised, so too bad for you. It's a good thing we important people in DC aren't subject to this horrid law! Whew!" or "Yep, it stands. Just because . Nanny-nanny boo-boo." I don't know why he bothered with the 90 or so pages.

[Mom2ten]

Here is what the ruling does to our taxes; http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-...-implications/

[Jacinth]

Right now I don't think much of Roberts, but I'd think even less of him if what you suggest were the case.

Same.

I sound like a broken record, but once again: Not. his. job.

[PlentyGroovy]

I'll hold my nose while doing it but I'm voting for Romney. Obama making deals with the Russians while he thought the mic was off was off the charts madness. This guy is a traitor to our country and dangerous if re-elected. Either way, God is in control so I'm not real worried about it.

[TrustHIM]

Thinking about the colonists dumping the tea in Boston Harbor.... Do we still have the right to say "NO TAXATION WITHOUT PROPER REPRESENTATION"???

That's just what this *cough* healthcare bill is!! It's all about the BIGGEST tax increase in our country's history. Barry now has to defend it!!! And what persosn in their right mind, at this time, wants a tex increase!?!?! The Supreme Court may have done the people a favor, the truth is out now for all to see.