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    Is this Syrian civil war soon to breach borders?

    Syrian tanks 'amass on border' as Assad threatens opposition


    Syrian government forces have massed 170 tanks north of the city of Aleppo, close to the Turkish border, according to the rebel Free Syrian Army.

    The claim by Gen Mustafa al-Sheikh, head of the FSA's military council, could not be independently confirmed, but it suggested that the Syrian army was responding to a Turkish military build-up on the border.

    It could represent a significant escalation in tensions between Damascus its former friendly neighbour. The Syrian army has been involved in operations against rebels in the area
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    Mr Assad ruled out any compromise. In a rare interview, he said he had a duty to "annihilate terrorists" to protect his people and ruled out any solution to the crisis imposed from outside the country.

    "The responsibility of the Syrian government is to protect all of our residents. You have a responsibility to annihilate terrorists in any corner of the country," Mr Assad told Iranian state television.

    "When you eliminate a terrorist, it's possible that you are saving the lives of tens, hundreds, or even thousands," he said, referring to last month's massacre in the village of Houla in which more than 100 people, including women and children, were killed.

    Battling to crush a 16-month uprising against his rule, the 46-year-old Alawite leader demanded international observers speak out more about the "terrorist operations" they witnessed.

    He also firmly rejected any solution imposed from outside the country, emphasising his own commitment to reform instead.

    "We will not accept any non-Syrian, non-national model, whether it comes from big countries or friendly countries. No one knows how to solve Syria's problems as well as we do," he said.

    "We are moving forward with political reforms. But for terrorists and the governments that support them, reforms have no meaning."

    Mr Assad accused Syria's foes of trying to interfere in his country's internal affairs with UN resolutions and by bringing about the failure of Kofi Annan's peace plan.
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    For a bit of perspective here at the current time, Syrian forces are avoiding the Turkish border.

    Assad forces bombard northern towns, avoid Turkish border
    By Khaled Yacoub Oweis
    ANTAKYA, Turkey | Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:58am EDT

    Reuters) - Helicopter gunships bombarded a strategic town in northern Syria overnight and tanks moved close to the commercial hub of Aleppo, rebels said, but kept well clear of new Turkish air defenses installed to curb Syrian action near its frontiers.
    Regional analysts said that while neither Turkey nor its NATO allies appeared to have any appetite to enforce a formal no-fly zone over Syrian territory, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan had made it clear Assad would be risking what he called the 'wrath' of Turkey if its aircraft strayed close to its borders.

    Recently, there were clashes close to the border between Syrian forces and rebels. Last weekend, Damascus said "terrorists" infiltrating from Turkey were killed and there have been reports of Syrian forces shooting into camps for refugees in Turkey.
    More on Syria amassing forces....

    The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 190 people, including 125 civilians, were killed on Thursday.

    General Mustafa al-Sheikh, head of the Higher Military Council, a grouping of senior officers who defected from Assad's forces, said around 170 Syrian tanks had assembled at an infantry school near the village of Musalmieh northeast of the city of Aleppo, just 30 kilometers (19 miles) from the Turkish border.

    "They're either preparing to move to the border to counter the Turkish deployment or attack the rebellious (Syrian) towns and villages in and around the border zone north of Aleppo," Sheikh told Reuters by telephone from the border.

    Omar Abdallah, an activist in Idlib coordinating with the Free Syrian Army said: "After taking hits in rural Aleppo and Idlib, the army is re-grouping ... There is speculation that these forces intend to ring Aleppo starting July 1."

    Rebel sources in Turkey's Hatay region said Assad's helicopters attacked Saraqeb, a strategic town deep in Idlib province, but kept away from the area directly along the Turkish border in the rural regions of Idlib and Aleppo provinces.

    Neither Turkey, which fears a local clash escalating into a regional sectarian conflagration, nor Syria, has any interest in a confrontation on their shared border.

    Ankara, which has the second biggest army in NATO, called an emergency NATO meeting after its warplane was shot down.

    Turkey has in the past talked about creating a humanitarian corridor on Syrian territory if refugee flows became dangerously unmanageable or the scale of killing in Syria became intolerable. But it had always said this would require international endorsement.

    "NATO just doesn't look like it's in the mood," David Hartwell, Middle East analyst, IHS Jane's, said. "What you might get is the Turks forcing a de facto no-fly zone."
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85D0IS20120629

    A little difficult to determine what is going on here, but suffice to say the crisis is getting worse by the day in Syria.

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    I have been reading the same news feeds $teve.
    Things are moving so fast we could wake up tomorrow and see all out war.....which will lead to ??.??
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    Assad is interested in "protecting" one Syrian citizen: himself. He knows if he does not maintain enough military intimidation to halt intervention (from anywhere and everywhere), he is going to wind up like Saddam Hussein, Moammar Ghadafi, and Hosni Mubarak. I wonder whether he already knows it's too late for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raphael View Post
    Assad is interested in "protecting" one Syrian citizen: himself. He knows if he does not maintain enough military intimidation to halt intervention (from anywhere and everywhere), he is going to wind up like Saddam Hussein, Moammar Ghadafi, and Hosni Mubarak. I wonder whether he already knows it's too late for him.
    Probably, but what we have read in other threads in last few days regarding the WMD falling into the hands of even craziers than him is the real concern.
    There needs to be NATO or other intervention NOW to stop this from happening or we will most likely see Israel take out the stockpiles if it looks like the even more crazy's might get their hands on them.
    Then anything could happen.......
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    I was reading an article that claimed the Russians actually downed the Turkish fighter.

    Maybe Putin is trying to start a serious Mideast war, pitting Turkey and Syria against each other, and then they all turn on Israel, since they have a war there already and someone accidentally blows up Damascus forever.................
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptureReady_7 View Post
    I was reading an article that claimed the Russians actually downed the Turkish fighter.

    Maybe Putin is trying to start a serious Mideast war, pitting Turkey and Syria against each other, and then they all turn on Israel, since they have a war there already and someone accidentally blows up Damascus forever.................
    I just read somewhere that NATO and the US, etc... are trying to negotiate a plan that would secure Assad power for two more years. I don't have a link because I can't remember what website I was on, but if that was the case I would assume it's because they think somehow he'll stop attacking his own people if he can get out from under the threat of being ousted like Mubarak or Ghaddafi...

    Somehow I don't think he's got two more years. Things are rapidly deteriorating over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani D View Post
    I just read somewhere that NATO and the US, etc... are trying to negotiate a plan that would secure Assad power for two more years. I don't have a link because I can't remember what website I was on, but if that was the case I would assume it's because they think somehow he'll stop attacking his own people if he can get out from under the threat of being ousted like Mubarak or Ghaddafi...

    Somehow I don't think he's got two more years. Things are rapidly deteriorating over there.
    I read something about that as well... I took it to say they are "giving him 2 more years" to keep the oil flowing through the main passageways in his country... Something about 2 oil routes were mentioned. Wish I could remember the website... The thing I remember the best though, was the final sentence. "That is what really matters." and I thought that was exactly what does NOT really matter......
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    I do not beleive the Annan peace plan. He wants to give the rebels power and and a place in government. That just won't work. The rebels want war with Israel. If they get in power Syria won't last.

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    Any ideas on why Syria would be picking a fight with Turkey when they are entrenched in a civil war they are losing and enemies with Israel and previously friends withe Turkey?

    Is this makeing any sense to anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WVBORN56 View Post
    Any ideas on why Syria would be picking a fight with Turkey when they are entrenched in a civil war they are losing and enemies with Israel and previously friends withe Turkey?

    Is this makeing any sense to anyone?
    Well there's some doubt being cast on Turkey's account of events now, according to US intelligence sources!

    The first casualty of war: The truth!

    Doubts Cast on Turkey's Story of Jet
    U.S. Intelligence, Contradicting Ankara, Indicates Aircraft Was Shot Down by Syria in Its Own Airspace, Officials Say .

    U.S. intelligence indicates that a Turkish warplane shot down by Syrian forces was most likely hit by shore-based antiaircraft guns while it was inside Syrian airspace, American officials said, a finding in tune with Syria's account and at odds with Turkey.

    The Turkish government, which moved tanks to the Syrian border after the June 22 incident, says the debris fell in Syrian waters, but maintains its fighter was shot down without warning in international airspace. Ankara also has said the jet was hit too far from Syrian territory to have been engaged by an antiaircraft gun.

    Damascus has said it shot down the plane with an antiaircraft battery with an effective range of about 1.5 miles.

    "We see no indication that it was shot down by a surface-to-air missile" as Turkey says, said a senior defense official. Officials declined to specify the sources of their information. The senior U.S. defense official cautioned that much remains unknown about the incident.

    A Turkish official said he wasn't aware of the American doubts, and reiterated the government's position that a Syrian missile downed the plane in international airspace.

    The Turkish government has scheduled a special meeting for Saturday morning on Syria. A spokesman for the prime minister said the U.S. intelligence on the incident would likely be discussed.

    The downing of the jet spurred fears of a widening regional conflict and led the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, following a presentation on Tuesday by Turkey, to condemn Syria's action.

    The use of antiaircraft fire would suggest the Turkish plane was flying low to the ground, and slowly, U.S. officials said—though Syria said the jet was traveling at 480 miles an hour.

    If hit by antiaircraft fire, the jet likely came closer to the Syrian shoreline than Turkey says, U.S. officials said.

    The plane's pilots haven't been found, and the Turkish Navy has continued to search for them. U.S. officials say they believe the pilots perished.

    Some current and former American officials believe Ankara has been testing Syrian defenses. The version of the Turkish F-4 Phantom that was shot down typically carries surveillance equipment, according to U.S. defense officials.

    A former senior U.S. official who worked closely with Turkey said he believed the flight's course was meant to test Syria's response. "You think that the airplane was there by mistake?" the former official said.

    "These countries are all testing how fast they get picked up and how fast someone responds," said a senior U.S. official. "It's part of training."


    The Turkish official said the plane wasn't on a surveillance mission. "All NATO members have condemned the Syrian hostile act and have supported Turkey," the official said.

    The emerging discrepancies could prove embarrassing to Ankara and strain continuing discussions between the U.S. and Turkey, a NATO ally that shares a long border with Syria.

    Turkey occupies a critical role in the U.S. and Western strategy for dealing with the Syrian crisis. American officials and defense analysts say the U.S. approach depends largely on Turkey's willingness to keep pressure on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    NATO officials said Turkey's presentation on the incident on Tuesday was very detailed, but diplomats didn't closely question the Turks on their version of events. The U.S. backed Turkey and, American officials said, pushed NATO to issue a statement sharply condemning Syria.

    The incident has put NATO in a tough spot. Alliance members are eager to back Ankara, but don't want to be dragged into a military conflict in Syria.

    If the plane had been struck by a missile, a senior military official said, it would be an indication that Damascus had authorized the action. But the use of antiaircraft fire may mean a local commander decided on his own initiative to fire at the Turkish plane, according to officials and analysts.

    U.S. defense officials said they weren't alarmed by Turkey's movement of forces to its border with Syria. Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, praised Turkey's "very measured" approach. "I've asked them, and they are not seeking to be provocative," Gen. Dempsey said.

    The U.S.-Turkish relationship is unlikely to be affected by the apparent discrepancies in accounts of the downing of the jet. Cooperation between Ankara and Washington has grown closer in recent months, after a period of significant strain in 2009 and 2010.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

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