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    Default Annan urges world to unite on Syria peace plan

    Annan urges world to unite on Syria peace plan
    By Stephanie Nebehay and Andrew Quinn
    GENEVA | Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:27am EDT

    (Reuters) - U.N. mediator Kofi Annan warned on Saturday that the conflict in Syria would enflame the Middle East and beyond unless world powers agreed on a peace plan but the United States said foreign ministers meeting in Geneva might fail in that task.

    International talks started with governments still in dispute over whether President Bashar al-Assad, reviled in the West for his assault on opponents but still supported by Russia, could have any role in a political transition.

    Annan, the former U.N. chief and the special international envoy on Syria, is hoping for consensus on a plan for a unity government that would exclude controversial figures from leadership - effectively meaning Assad would step down.

    "We are here to agree on guidelines and principles for a Syrian-led political transition that meets the legitimate aspirations of the Syrian people," he said in opening remarks.

    "No one should be in any doubt as to the extreme dangers posed by the conflict - to Syrians, to the region, and to the world."

    His appeal gave a note of urgency to the need for world powers to move closer in their positions as the 16-month-old conflict in Syria deepens by the day.

    Moscow, a long-time ally of Assad and an opponent of what it sees as foreign meddling in domestic affairs, objects to any solution imposed on Syria from outside. The United States and its European and Arab allies see no way ahead while power remains in Assad's hands.

    Annan all but chided the world powers for failing to halt the bloodshed sooner, saying the crisis should never have reached this point.

    "Either unite to secure your common interests or divide and surely fail in your own individual way. Without your unity, your common resolve and your action now ... nobody can win and everyone will lose in some way," he said.

    The mood of pessimism was reinforced by a senior U.S. official who said the talks might or might not reach a deal on Saturday.

    "Discussions remain challenging. We're continuing to work on this today, but we need a plan that is strong and credible. So we may get there, we may not," the official told reporters.

    Even as the diplomats gathered at the U.N. complex by the shores of Lake Geneva, the Syrian army rained mortar fire on pro-opposition areas in Deir al-Zor, Homs, Idlib and the outskirts of Damascus, activists said.

    Government troops were fighting rebels of the Free Syria Army at several points. Syria's border with Turkey was also tense following a Turkish military build-up in response to Syria's shooting down of a Turkish warplane last week.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...85D0IS20120630

    Key words and references there: World unity and further destruction in Syria and threatening war across the Middle East. World unity will happen, but only after the failure and collapse of current economic and political systems and the AC to enter.

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    Their peace plan probably entails ending Israel.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzardhut View Post
    Their peace plan probably entails ending Israel.
    You are probably right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzardhut View Post
    Their peace plan probably entails ending Israel.
    We know that God Almighty is not going to let anyone wipe Israel off the face of the map. We also know that there won't be a Damascus, Syria one of these days. God's word gives us the prophecy in Isaiah 17:1 that Syria is going to be a ruinous heap.
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    Gives serious pause to consider the end game in Syria be an Isaiah 17 outcome.

    Syria violence 'unprecedented'

    Violence in Syria has reached unprecedented levels, the head of the country's UN observer mission says, insisting there must be a ceasefire for his teams to resume their work.

    ABOUT 300 UN monitors were sent to Syria to provide an unbiased look at the violence but have been confined to their hotels since June 15 due to the bloodshed.

    "The escalation of violence, allow me to say, to an unprecedented level, obstructed our ability to observe, verify, report as well as assist in local dialogue," Norwegian Major General Robert Mood told reporters in the capital Damascus on Thursday.

    More than 14,000 people have been killed since the Syrian uprising began in March 2011, according to activists. As the conflict grinds on, the violence has become widespread and chaotic.

    Besides the government crackdown on dissent, rebel fighters are launching increasingly deadly attacks on regime targets, and several massive suicide attacks this year suggest al-Qaeda or other extremists are joining the fray.

    The president of Cyprus says the island nation has drawn up contingency plans to receive a possible influx of evacuees from Syria if necessary.

    Dimitris Christofias says his country is ready to act as an evacuee station as it did in 2006 when it offered shelter and food to tens of thousands fleeing Lebanon during a month long war between Israel and Hezbollah.

    More than 200,000 Syrians have so far fled the country overland, seeking refuge in Jordan, Lebanon and Turkey.

    Cyprus is only 103 kilometres west of Syria.

    Meanwhile, China has joined Russia in boycotting a "Friends of Syria" meeting aimed at co-ordinating efforts to stop violence in the country, where three senior regime officers are among the latest to be killed.

    In Beijing, foreign ministry spokesman Liu Weimin told reporters China would not attend the Paris gathering on Friday.

    "(China) at present does not consider attending the meeting," he said.

    Russia, a long-time ally of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, has also said it will stay away from the meeting after accusing the West of seeking to distort a weekend deal by world powers in Geneva aimed at achieving a transition of power.
    http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...#ixzz1zkUXvCOW

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    It seems to be increasing everyday. Assad is still convinced he has a hold on the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cricket55 View Post
    It seems to be increasing everyday. Assad is still convinced he has a hold on the country.
    Yes and apparently another senior general has just defected to join the rebels. Apparently the most significant defection to date....

    Senior Assad general defects to rebels

    The Assad regime suffered the most significant defection of the Syrian uprising on Thursday when a general from one of the country's most famous families decamped to join the rebels.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...to-rebels.html

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    I was just watching SBS news and it seems the world is starting to rack up the pressure on Assad.
    I wonder if this will cause this madman to take desperate action to deflect pressure off himself by starting something with Israel.
    Time will tell.
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    Violence seems normal for most muslim countries....


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    As bad as this guy is... Will we be happy when the Brotherhood takes over another Country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anymomentnow View Post
    I was just watching SBS news and it seems the world is starting to rack up the pressure on Assad.
    I wonder if this will cause this madman to take desperate action to deflect pressure off himself by starting something with Israel.
    Time will tell.
    I am beginning to be skeptical of that being an option anymore. Everything I've read seems to suggest that Assad is being held under house arrest in one of his palaces. With the loss of the commander of the Republican Guard, I'm not even sure we can say that Assad is even the person running the show anymore.

    Of course, what the MB might do with Assad's stocks of weapons might prompt Israel to act anyway.

    As you said, time will tell.

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    Default Facing diplomatic isolation, Syria’s Assad says he’s willing to step aside

    After losing his most important supporters outside Syria, President Bashar al Assad said his office “doesn’t mean anything to me” and he’s willing to give up it up, though preferably after national elections.


    By Roy Gutman | McClatchy Newspapers

    ISTANBUL — After losing his most important supporters outside Syria, President Bashar al Assad said his office “doesn’t mean anything to me” and he’s willing to give up it up, though preferably after national elections.

    “If the president’s departure is in the interest of Syria, the president should naturally go. This is self-evident,” he told the Turkish newspaper Cumhuriyet. “You should never stay in office one day if the people do not want you; and the elections are the means through which the people show whether they want you or not.”

    Assad gave the interview Sunday, a day after Russia and China joined the United States and other major powers to call for a transitional government with full executive powers to replace Assad’s one-man rule.

    Some pro-democracy rebel groups that have been fighting the regime for the past 16 months rejected the plan, drafted
    by United Nations special envoy Kofi Annan. Their chief complaint was that at the insistence of Russia, Assad’s most important backer, the plan didn’t explicitly require Assad to go.

    Assad withheld criticism of the Annan plan and entertained several questions about how long he would stay in office.
    “The most important thing is that everything should be decided inside Syria, not outside it,” Assad said, according to the English translation posted on the Syrian presidential web site.

    He also didn’t rule out departing office through some means other than elections, such as the Annan plan, which calls for a transitional government that could include members of the regime if they’re acceptable to the opposition. Annan said he doubted the opposition would agree to anyone with “blood on his hands” to be in the transitional government, a clear allusion to Assad.

    At least 10,000 Syrians have been killed since Assad deployed his army and security services to suppress the anti-government protests, and the number is probably higher.

    It wasn’t clear from Assad’s remarks if he is just trying to appear conciliatory in the face of a policy shift by Russia, his major supplier of arms, trainers and international diplomatic support.

    Assad was not invited to send a representative to the conference about his country’s – and his own – future, and in the interview a day after the conference, he noted that he still hadn’t been contacted by Annan or by the Russian government.

    In another development Wednesday, Turkish search-and-rescue teams located the bodies of the two pilots whose F4 reconnaissance jet was shot down by Syrian defense forces on June 23.

    The aircraft had briefly strayed into Syrian airspace, but Turkey asserts that Syria fired a missile and downed the plane down 15 minutes later over international waters.

    The incident has added to tensions between the two countries.

    With NATO backing, Turkey has moved troops and anti-aircraft units to the border with Syria and warned it will attack any Syrian military aircraft that appears to threaten Turkey.

    Assad did not apologize for the incident, saying that “any unidentified aircraft, and in the same circumstances, even if it the aircraft were Syrian, it would be considered an enemy aircraft.”

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/0...on-syrias.html

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    Does Assad really believe that he is going to get away with genocide?!
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    MB? For all we know Al Qaeda or some other more ruthless terrorist group could gain a hold of those weapons. I don't think MB would be the major worry, immediately. I think it's been mentioned here by one of our mods that Israel is not likely to destroy Damascus. I agree with this.

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    He will pay for his crimes for sure.

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    Syria's undertaking military exercises in case of an attack from sea.

    Annan arrives in Damascus, Syria tests missiles
    By Oliver Holmes
    BEIRUT | Sun Jul 8, 2012 1:56pm EDT

    Kofi Annan arrived in Damascus on Sunday evening for talks with President Bashar al-Assad, his spokesman said, a day after the international peace envoy admitted that his peace plan had so far failed to end 16 months of bloodshed.

    Syria's navy fired live missiles from ships and helicopters over the weekend, in an exercise aiming at demonstrating its ability to "defend Syria's shores against any possible aggression", state media said.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Syrian opposition forces were growing more effective and the sooner the violence ended, the better were the chances of sparing Syria's government from a "catastrophic assault" by rebel fighters.

    Assad said U.S. political support for "terrorists" was hindering Annan's peace plan and accused several Middle Eastern countries of supplying the rebels with arms and other support.

    Syrian television aired video of a variety of missiles being fired from launchers on land and from ships, with Defence Minister Dawud Abdallah Rahijia in attendance.

    "Naval Forces conducted an operational live fire exercise on Saturday, using missiles launched from the sea and coast, helicopters and missile boats, simulating a scenario of repelling a sudden attack from the sea," Syrian news agency SANA said, adding that maneuvers would continue for several days.
    "The sooner there can be an end to the violence and a beginning of a political transition process, not only will fewer people die, but there is a chance to save the Syrian state from a catastrophic assault that would be very dangerous not only to Syria but to the region," Clinton told a Tokyo news conference.

    She appeared to be referring to the possibility of Syrian rebels launching such an assault on state institutions rather than to any outside intervention.

    "There is no doubt that the opposition is getting more effective in their defence of themselves and in going on the offence against the Syrian military and the Syrian government's militias. So, the future ... should be abundantly clear to those who support the Assad regime," Clinton added.

    "The sand is running out of the hour glass."
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8610SH20120708

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    There are many possible outcomes to the Syrian situation. The following is not one of them (in this Dispensation):

    "And they lived happily ever after."

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    He will most likely face judgement for the blood he has shed. The genocide has gone on too long for him to broker a deal to step aside in exchange for his life imho.

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    Default Syria tests missiles

    Syria's navy fired live missiles from ships and helicopters over the weekend, in an exercise aiming at demonstrating its ability to "defend Syria's shores against any possible aggression", state media said.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/48114581

    DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) —
    In a show of force, Syria began large-scale military exercises Sunday to simulate defending the country against outside "aggression." Damascus' staunch ally Iran warned of a "catastrophe" in the region if no political solution to the 16-month-old Syrian conflict is found.
    The Syrian military maneuvers began Saturday with naval forces in a scenario where they repelled an attack from the sea, and will include air and ground forces over the next few days, the state-run SANA news agency said. State TV broadcast footage of missiles being fired from launch vehicles and warships — an apparent warning to other countries not to intervene in the country's crisis.

    Syrian Defense Minister Dawood Rajiha attended the maneuvers and praised the "exceptional performance" of the naval forces which showed "a high level of combat training and ability to defend Syria's shores against any possible aggression."

    "The navy carried out the training successfully, repelling the hypothetical attack and striking at given targets with high precision," the report said.

    The maneuvers are the second to be carried out by the Syrian military since the uprising began 16 months ago.
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...547d63e0e04d6e

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    Default Annan says agreement reached with Syria's Assad in Damascus

    DAMASCUS, Syria (AP) –
    International envoy Kofi Annan raised hopes of a revived peace effort in Syria, saying he has reached a framework with President Bashar Assad and would hold talks with rebel leaders. Annan was traveling to Damascus' key ally Iran later Monday for talks with leaders there.
    Iranian state TV said Annan will be traveling to Tehran for meetings later Monday.
    Annan acknowledged that the international community's efforts to find a political solution to the escalating violence in Syria have failed. He added that more attention needed to be paid to the role of longtime Syrian ally Iran, saying Tehran "should be part of the solution."

    It is unclear what role Annan envisions for Iran, a staunch Syrian ally that has stood by Assad throughout the uprising. Tehran's close ties could make it an interlocutor with the regime, though the U.S. has often refused to let the Islamic Republic attend conferences about the Syria crisis.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/s...lks/56106818/1



    So....will the US back down and attend conferences with Iran re: the crisis??

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