What's wrong with Homosexuality if "I was born this way"?

[PlentyGroovy]

The act of Sodomy is harmful to the body. No need to go into graphic details. It is voluntarily submitting to self harm. God will never bless this. Never. He says your body is a temple to dedicate to Him. Self-mutilation is a disorder. No getting around this. A course you can't really bring this up in a polite society or even an impolite society but deep down, people choose to overlook this simple fact. You misuse body parts and they won't work correctly anymore. I suppose this will be brought up much more in the future, people clamoring for reconstructive surgery. The gay agenda does not want you think about this aspect. They will later on when they want you to pay for it.

[Buzzardhut]

The act of Sodomy is harmful to the body. No need to go into graphic details. It is voluntarily submitting to self harm. God will never bless this. Never. He says your body is a temple to dedicate to Him. Self-mutilation is a disorder. No getting around this. A course you can't really bring this up in a polite society or even an impolite society but deep down, people choose to overlook this simple fact. You misuse body parts and they won't work correctly anymore. I suppose this will be brought up much more in the future, people clamoring for reconstructive surgery. The gay agenda does not want you think about this aspect. They will later on when they want you to pay for it.

And their sin sick lifestyle of self-mutilation will become a greater burden on Owebama's (Our Taxes) Health Care system.

[HisHands]

The world will always be pro gay

Came back just to read some more responses and I couldn't resist commenting on this...

Are you joking, Buzzardhut? The world, for the most part, is NOT pro-gay.

In more than 70 countries homosexuality itself is illegal. Gay people are killed for being gay in 7 countries. Imagine that... "Oh, he's gay. Kill him!"

Gay people are often kicked out of their families, fired from their jobs, abandoned by the people who are supposed to be there for them.... gay kids are bullied in school to the point where they feel like they have no hope! Not sure about you, but every single gay suicide that I read about brought tears to me eyes.

How's that for a "loving" response?

[ThePenguin]

Came back just to read some more responses and I couldn't resist commenting on this...

Are you joking, Buzzardhut? The world, for the most part, is NOT pro-gay.

In more than 70 countries homosexuality itself is illegal. Gay people are killed for being gay in 7 countries. Imagine that... "Oh, he's gay. Kill him!"

Gay people are often kicked out of their families, fired from their jobs, abandoned by the people who are supposed to be there for them.... gay kids are bullied in school to the point where they feel like they have no hope! Not sure about you, but every single gay suicide that I read about brought tears to me eyes.

How's that for a "loving" response?

Who said that that was a loving response? Nobody did. The same world that tolerates their perversion is the same world that kills them for it. Go figure. Both actions are wrong.

With regards to what Buzz said, the most powerful countries in the world are the same ones supporting the homosexual agenda. I don't know about you but I'm much more afraid when a country like the United States accepts and promotes homosexuality than a country with much less influence.

[Buzzardhut]

Came back just to read some more responses and I couldn't resist commenting on this...

Are you joking, Buzzardhut? The world, for the most part, is NOT pro-gay.

In more than 70 countries homosexuality itself is illegal. Gay people are killed for being gay in 7 countries. Imagine that... "Oh, he's gay. Kill him!"

Gay people are often kicked out of their families, fired from their jobs, abandoned by the people who are supposed to be there for them.... gay kids are bullied in school to the point where they feel like they have no hope! Not sure about you, but every single gay suicide that I read about brought tears to me eyes.

How's that for a "loving" response?

The muslims might be closing in but look at Rome; they turned pro-gay and they crumbled from within. Now America, in her politically correct antics, is trying to be pro-gay and is crumbling from within. It's a poor life choice; if you are born satan's way you need to be born again God's way. The gospel of Jesus is the only loving response for the gay community.

[Florian9]

The muslims might be closing in but look at Rome; they turned pro-gay and they crumbled from within. Now America, in her politically correct antics, is trying to be pro-gay and is crumbling from within. It's a poor life choice; if you are born satan's way you need to be born again God's way. The gospel of Jesus is the only loving response for the gay community.

More to your point--which you're dead right....I'm convinced the whole "gay agenda" is only out to seek & destroy. Good Christian organizations & America/Europe/South America & wherever else this travesty is accepted are being uprooted, dispersed & destroyed. Take a look at everywhere they have planted seeds--every single organization that has accepted it has crumbled from within and destroyed itself. Methodists, Episcopals, Presbyterians, even Catholics--all of these have been hit. Nothing good can ever come out of accepting this lifestyle--society itself bears this witness. You just have to look around.

[futurehope]

To the people questioning gay marriage, and whether or not it is okay............

The most important things to consider is.........Do you believe God or not? Is the Bible God's Word? Do you believe in God at all, and if so, what are His attributes and from what source have you formed an opinion of Him?

This forum is comprised of people who believe in God, believe that He gave us His Word in the Bible, and are committed to sharing the Truth about Him.

So, from the above standpoint, a discussion of what you think and believe is irrelevant. We worship the God of the Bible. We endeavor to please Him. If He has said in His Word what He thinks, we believe Him. There is no room for discussion, no changing our opinions. He is the final authority.

If you do not believe what He says, and the Bible is "just another book", then you will be at the mercy of "what the world thinks". Translation of "what the world thinks" = the God of the Bible does not exist, and we do not need to worship Him or follow Him.

There is nothing to discuss here. You either believe He exists and that His Truth is in the Bible, or you don't.

Discussing gay marriage is a waste of time for believers. The more important thing to discuss is do you believe He exists and do you believe what He says? That's it. That's all there is to it.


If every country in the world decided to tolerate gay marriage, and to accept as legitimate that it is okay to have homosexual sex and for them to be married.............that would not change what God thinks. "The world", much as they would like to, cannot change what God thinks. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. "The world" (which is against the God of the Bible), will continue to evolve in their thinking, and change to accept whatever it is that seems right, but the bottom line is, God never changes. He does not become more enlightened over time. Can you understand what I am saying? Do you see why discussing gay marriage is a waste of time? It is not accceptable to Him. We believe Him. End of discussion.

[NoProvision]

To the people questioning gay marriage, and whether or not it is okay............

The most important things to consider is.........Do you believe God or not? Is the Bible God's Word? Do you believe in God at all, and if so, what are His attributes and from what source have you formed an opinion of Him?

This forum is comprised of people who believe in God, believe that He gave us His Word in the Bible, and are committed to sharing the Truth about Him.

So, from the above standpoint, a discussion of what you think and believe is irrelevant. We worship the God of the Bible. We endeavor to please Him. If He has said in His Word what He thinks, we believe Him. There is no room for discussion, no changing our opinions. He is the final authority.

If you do not believe what He says, and the Bible is "just another book", then you will be at the mercy of "what the world thinks". Translation of "what the world thinks" = the God of the Bible does not exist, and we do not need to worship Him or follow Him.

There is nothing to discuss here. You either believe He exists and that His Truth is in the Bible, or you don't.

Discussing gay marriage is a waste of time for believers. The more important thing to discuss is do you believe He exists and do you believe what He says? That's it. That's all there is to it.


If every country in the world decided to tolerate gay marriage, and to accept as legitimate that it is okay to have homosexual sex and for them to be married.............that would not change what God thinks. "The world", much as they would like to, cannot change what God thinks. He is the same yesterday, today and forever. "The world" (which is against the God of the Bible), will continue to evolve in their thinking, and change to accept whatever it is that seems right, but the bottom line is, God never changes. He does not become more enlightened over time. Can you understand what I am saying? Do you see why discussing gay marriage is a waste of time? It is not accceptable to Him. We believe Him. End of discussion.

This is a great point. I trust that God created us and knows our hearts and minds better than we ever could. I understand that a lot of people are bullied and abused and isolated to the point that any affection from another human being seems, by comparison, right. But people are not the source of righteousness and love. If one is a Christian then he trusts God's word and walks in it. The world is teeming with alternatives to our Creator's plan for salvation and eternal life. It is very short sighted reasoning to oppose His authority and to argue and fight for a right that God tells us is wrong. Obviously this isn't a new or contemporary issue; God specifically addresses it in His Word. There is nothing "progressive" about homosexuality.

I know a man from church who identifies himself as a gay man. He had to leave his catholic home in Mexico because his family hated him for being gay. He told me that he does not engage in that behavior anymore even though it is his "orientation" and that he never had genuine happiness and peace until he committed himself to living by God's laws. Honestly, this guy is one of the most peaceful and loving people in the whole congregation. He is in love with God.

Satan says, "Trust me". God says, "I am".

[iSong6:3]

I know a man from church who identifies himself as a gay man. He had to leave his catholic home in Mexico because his family hated him for being gay. He told me that he does not engage in that behavior anymore even though it is his "orientation" and that he never had genuine happiness and peace until he committed himself to living by God's laws. Honestly, this guy is one of the most peaceful and loving people in the whole congregation. He is in love with God.

The world tells us that we are free to express ourselves sexually, that it is a need just like eating.

God says no. He created sex and says it is designed for a male husband and a female wife. Only.

He showed us this curtailment in the command for His first *peculiar* people to circumcise their males. Since the Fall our urges are distorted. We are to realize not all of the urges that *feel normal* since our birth are good. Circumcision is a reminder of that. God is to be the God of our sexuality.

For those of us not in a marriage relationship, we are to be celibate. As Jesus was. There are advantages to a celibate life as Paul told us.

Bottom line, we don't get to act on all our urges - if we belong to God we see His strength to meet His commands.

We are not impressed with satan's lies, we are ever-awed by our God.

[goodboy]

I think a big issue today is that people believe we Christians are so condemning of homosexuality and not as much against other sin. Thus they think we are saying that it is the worst son or unforgivable or that we all don't struggle with some type of sin.

This is not the case at all. The reason this even comes across this way is due to the gay agenda being pushed by the media and govt. There is no "drunkards" movement to get people to accept drinking and the like, but there is a gay agenda trying its best to normalize and make acceptable something which no matter what is and will always be shameful and a sin in the eyes of the Lord.

[HisHands]

It's a poor life choice.

Why would anyone choose to be gay.... people don't just choose to be ostracized and stigmatized by societies. Who chooses to face so much opposition and rejection in their lives? Gay people are found in every culture in every country on this planet.... I do not believe it's a "choice" to be gay and I never will.

[iSong6:3]

Why would anyone choose to be gay.... people don't just choose to be ostracized and stigmatized by societies. Who chooses to face so much opposition and rejection in their lives? Gay people are found in every culture in every country on this planet.... I do not believe it's a "choice" to be gay and I never will.

It's a choice to act on urges. Absolutely.

[HisHands]

It's a choice to act on urges. Absolutely.

Of course. But, even just being gay? iSong6:3, do you control who you feel attraction towards? You feel natural attraction towards men, correct? You couldn't imagine it any other way. That's how gay people feel... it's natural to them. That is what I am wondering, if you think that attraction is a choice.

[iSong6:3]

Of course. But, even just being gay? iSong6:3, do you control who you feel attraction towards? You feel natural attraction towards men, correct? You couldn't imagine it any other way. That's how gay people feel... it's natural to them. That is what I am wondering, if you think that attraction is a choice.

It's moot, really. Paul says not everyone is called to be married (and to enjoy sex.)

I'm single. Therefore it doesn't matter whom I am attracted to, I must control even lust with God's help. Married people cannot act on lust for someone other than their spouse.

That's the real underlying issue, isn 't it? Lust? What does Jesus say about lust?

Curious as to why God is missing from your posts.

[Buzzardhut]

Why would anyone choose to be gay.... people don't just choose to be ostracized and stigmatized by societies. Who chooses to face so much opposition and rejection in their lives? Gay people are found in every culture in every country on this planet.... I do not believe it's a "choice" to be gay and I never will.

If they are born satan's way, they choose to be gay; they love the pleasure of sin over God's will; it's the same reason a couple chooses not to wear a condom or someone chooses to be with a prostitute and ends up with diseases, they did not choose getting pregnant nor the diseases, never wanted anything to do with the side effects of "pleasure sex"; but their urges outweighed their risks. You must fess up that everyone is born into sin, with different side effects, and only being born again through Jesus is the only viable escape route. Until you believe those scriptural facts you cannot be helped; your first step is to address the sin, second step is admit you need help, third step is confess your sins to Jesus, fourth is asking Jesus for forgiveness and a changed life along with lifestyle.

You cannot argue the glories, or even the miseries, of being first born in sin "satan's way" when you are provided God's opportunity to be "born again Jesus' way".

[Steve53]

I've seen this argument put forth before and always as a "clincher" - it's not a viable rationale because we all sin. We all are "this way" - sinners - the result of sin entering our world. We can choose to alter our behavior - or not - it's still a choice we make of our own free will.

Why do true Christians struggle so with their homosexuality? Because the Holy Spirit is convicting them just as surely as He convicts the rest of us Christians of our sin(s).

Are you suggesting that even just being a homosexual is sinful? Having an attraction towards others of the same sex is wrong, without acting on them, is still wrong?

Since the above exchange, it is obvious you still cannot see the corner you've painted yourself into.

My words were plain, the meaning clear. You're attempting to parse that which cannot be parsed in a vain attempt at obfuscation. Sin is sin regardless of label. Being proud of one's sin is foolishness.

Again we speak to the sin and the sin nature inherent in man.

Why would anyone choose to be gay.... people don't just choose to be ostracized and stigmatized by societies. Who chooses to face so much opposition and rejection in their lives? Gay people are found in every culture in every country on this planet.... I do not believe it's a "choice" to be gay and I never will.

Your argument has come full circle and is still wanting.

Of course. But, even just being gay? iSong6:3, do you control who you feel attraction towards? You feel natural attraction towards men, correct? You couldn't imagine it any other way. That's how gay people feel... it's natural to them. That is what I am wondering, if you think that attraction is a choice.

Yes, that attraction is a choice. A lustful choice (feelings) and once acted upon, a willful sin.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

HH - You have chosen to ignore many cogent points made in the course of this conversation and all you offer as a rationale for homosexuality are feelings. You're going to have to do much better than that before a just and Holy God who has plainly and clearly stated that such behavior is an abomination. The Lord abhors sin in any form or fashion. Seeking to redefine what is sin or not, based on feelings, is pure foolishness especially when God has defined the sin for you.

[mbrown1219]

http://bible.cc/matthew/7-23.htm

Please click on this link and read the entire page.

Praying for you and all of us as not one of us will like to hear the Lord say: "Get away from Me, I never knew you, you workers of lawlessness."

I want to hear my Savior say: Well done, good and faithful servant....

What God says, God means. Argue at your own peril. I am begging you to stop it for your own benefit.

[OnceWasLost]

Why would anyone choose to be gay.... people don't just choose to be ostracized and stigmatized by societies. Who chooses to face so much opposition and rejection in their lives? Gay people are found in every culture in every country on this planet.... I do not believe it's a "choice" to be gay and I never will.

The same rationale can be used for alcoholics, drug addicts or any other destructive behavior. Do you believe all destructive behaviors are genetically pre-disposed and that we have no culpability?

The Bible calls all of man's sin willfulness, including promiscuous heterosexuality and the other things I used as examples. God has better designs, but man always wants to impose his will. The Bible tells us by nature we are fallen, until that nature is changed man will sin with impunity and look to excuse that behavior.

In short God is not subject to our rationale or sensibilities, so trying to grapple with obeying his will is not a matter of whether it makes sense to us or not.

Of course. But, even just being gay? iSong6:3, do you control who you feel attraction towards? You feel natural attraction towards men, correct? You couldn't imagine it any other way. That's how gay people feel... it's natural to them. That is what I am wondering, if you think that attraction is a choice.

Most heterosexual people are attracted to multiple persons through their lives. If a person takes God's position regarding this to heart they will not act on that impulse. We should conform to His will and ask that He make our view line with His view like Romans 12 describes.

That is what happened to me, so just because I am programmed one way doesn't mean I need to act accordingly, that what animals do, we are not animals.

[futurehope]

Why would anyone choose to be gay.... people don't just choose to be ostracized and stigmatized by societies. Who chooses to face so much opposition and rejection in their lives? Gay people are found in every culture in every country on this planet.... I do not believe it's a "choice" to be gay and I never will.

I'm going to say this for a second time. Many others have said this.

WE ARE ALL SINNERS. WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE SINNERS. WE WERE BORN INTO SIN.

You need to stop singling out homosexuality and realize that every one of us, you included, was "born that way". Do you get it? You were born a sinner. I was born a sinner. Every human being was born a sinner.

Being "born that way" is no excuse for continuing to ignore God and His Word. After the age of accountability, after you are capable of understanding, we all are given a choice. Do we follow our own desires or do we follow the Lord's desires? That's it in a nutshell.

Stop telling us that homosexuals were born that way. We were ALL born that way. We were born into sin. You either believe God, or you don't. You either follow God and what He says, or you don't. Can you understand that by not following Him, you have made a choice to follow your own desires?

You do not have to agree with anything we say on here. But, since we are striving to present the Truth on the forum, your disagreement is ultimately with the Lord Himself, not us. If you do not like or agree with what we are saying, you are telling us that you disagree with God.

[penbrat]

I'm going to say this for a second time. Many others have said this.

WE ARE ALL SINNERS. WE DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE SINNERS. WE WERE BORN INTO SIN.

You need to stop singling out homosexuality and realize that every one of us, you included, was "born that way". Do you get it? You were born a sinner. I was born a sinner. Every human being was born a sinner.

Being "born that way" is no excuse for continuing to ignore God and His Word. After the age of accountability, after you are capable of understanding, we all are given a choice. Do we follow our own desires or do we follow the Lord's desires? That's it in a nutshell.

Stop telling us that homosexuals were born that way. We were ALL born that way. We were born into sin. You either believe God, or you don't. You either follow God and what He says, or you don't. Can you understand that by not following Him, you have made a choice to follow your own desires?

You do not have to agree with anything we say on here. But, since we are striving to present the Truth on the forum, your disagreement is ultimately with the Lord Himself, not us. If you do not like or agree with what we are saying, you are telling us that you disagree with God.