The Mark of The Beast *Merged*

[Arriving]

I used to be mormon and i think most mormons won't want to accept the mark of the beast even though i wouldn't classify most of them as christians with true saving faith in the true jesus, so would everyone who denys the mark go to heaven or could you deny it and still end up in hell or do you think unorthodox christians such as mormons will have to chose to either become a true christian or to accept the mark even though mormons believe they shouldn't?

[Buzzardhut]

I used to be mormon and i think most mormons won't want to accept the mark of the beast even though i wouldn't classify most of them as christians with true saving faith in the true jesus, so would everyone who denys the mark go to heaven or could you deny it and still end up in hell or do you think unorthodox christians such as mormons will have to chose to either become a true christian or to accept the mark even though mormons believe they shouldn't?

Receiving True salvation is always the only requirement for eternal life

[Arriving]

but during the tribulation in revelation, it basically says the people who accept the mark end up in hell and those who don't are the saved ones, so do you think most mormons during the tribulation end up accepting the mark even though they're warned not to by mormon teachings?

[TheOddBall34]

It depends on how the mark is presented. When your in line to get the mark they might ask you if you will accept it, or God. If they accept God they probably would accept Jesus. When this happens they will be executed which is the beheading probably. Wether that means you are saved, I think out of this thinking they may repent, but not sure. What is guaranteed is if you accept the mark it is an automatic ticket to hell.

[Ladybug]

I think (always dangerous!) that there will be people who won't take the mark because they were taught what it means and they refuse to do so. And there will always be those who won't do what the government wants and conform, come heck or high water. However, that does not mean they have accepted Jesus and His saving grace. They're basically staying neutral, as it were.

[TheOddBall34]

I think (always dangerous!) that there will be people who won't take the mark because they were taught what it means and they refuse to do so. And there will always be those who won't do what the government wants and conform, come heck or high water. However, that does not mean they have accepted Jesus and His saving grace. They're basically staying neutral, as it were.

My question is if these people were not true believers that did not accept the mark why would they want to die a horrible death? Chances are if they do not believe they will just accept it so they do not head off to swift execution. You never know people these days they do some crazy things.

[Arriving]

I think (always dangerous!) that there will be people who won't take the mark because they were taught what it means and they refuse to do so. And there will always be those who won't do what the government wants and conform, come heck or high water. However, that does not mean they have accepted Jesus and His saving grace. They're basically staying neutral, as it were.

if neutral people didn't get the mark, do you think they'll just die anyway (either they're killed or starve to death). And if they die wouldn't they go to hell anyway since they didn't accept christ?

[Ladybug]

if neutral people didn't get the mark, do you think they'll just die anyway (either they're killed or starve to death). And if they die wouldn't they go to hell anyway since they didn't accept christ?

I'm sure that some would die by being killed or starving; some would probably survive by avoiding capture or having other people feed them. And yes, I think they would still end up in hell since they didn't accept Christ. But under such horrific conditions people don't always think logically; they're just thinking about the immediate problem (the mark) and not the long-range problem (eternity). Also, I suspect that a lot of hearts will be hardened by that time.

[TheOddBall34]

What if they avoid capture, and accept christ?

[CelticMist]

Back in the year 1972 a movie came out titled "A Thief in the Night", it was filmed in Iowa and Nebraska, by a church up in that area.... so not Hollywood perfect. Along with this movie they made three others....
"A Distant Thunder" (1978)
"Image of the Beast" (1980)
"A Prodical Planet" (1983)

The one girl in it, ran around with two sisters after her husband vanished in the first moive. The second movie Patty, Wenda (her husband also was rapture), and Sandy are caught by the Patrol Guard that wears on the sleeve "Unite" (the bad guys that follow the AC).

They are taken into a church, waiting for their names to be called. Lo and behold, all three are called. Wenda and Patty refused the "mark of the beast"... its a shock affect in the next scene. They are blindfolded, led outside where the blindfolds come off. There in view is a guillotine....they are given one last chance to take the "mark of the beast". Wenda goes to the guillotine. Out comes Sandy, who up to this point you thought she was saved... has received the "mark". They led.. dragging Patty to the guillotine... they lay her on the bed, stretch her arms out and attempt placing the shackle locks on her wrist and her legs. Suddenly the earth shakes... you hear Patty screaming... I want the mark, I want the mark. I don't think she went to heaven!!!

Anyone that refuses the "mark of the beast" during the tribulation, will literally die for believing in Christ Jesus.

[Ladybug]

What if they avoid capture, and accept christ?

If they accept Christ, then they would be Tribulation Saints. If they die before the Second Coming, they would go to heaven. If they are alive at that time, they would be on the New Earth (if I remember correctly; it's early in the a.m. ).

[Veillifted]

If they accept Christ, then they would be Tribulation Saints. If they die before the Second Coming, they would go to heaven. If they are alive at that time, they would be on the New Earth (if I remember correctly; it's early in the a.m. ).

You summed it up perfectly...

[BeenReady]

Did you read the Left Behind book when that guy received the mark but was still saved? That was basically bunk.

[lisa]

Oh yeah.. the guy was held down and given the mark without his consent. I remember raising an eyebrow at that. I guess the premise was hanging on the word "accept". That character didn't "accept" the mark, he was "forced" to take the mark. Perhaps the authors were trying to make a point that it's a heart choice, and that force doesn't really come into play. Still, seemed like a reach to me. Thank God we won't be here to have to deal with it!

[BlessedinHim]

Did you read the Left Behind book when that guy received the mark but was still saved? That was basically bunk.

In the book, the mark was forced on this one kid by his dad. Whether or not that might happen, I dont know, but he didnt accept the mark, it was put on him without his consent. You have to take the books for what they are. They are a fictional story based upon someones perspective of truth in prophecy.

I dont see how any group of people will have the infrastructure presented in the Left Behind Novel in the tribulation. Money will not be any good. Food will be scarce.

Will parents be allowed to force the mark on their children during that time? I dont know, I dont think the anti christ wants people who havent made up their mind. I am pretty sure each person will have to make up their own mind when the rubber hits the road. But, satan's plans will fail. How or what God uses to make them fail? who knows? Only the Lord knows how it will all play out, until then we are left with speculation on the little details, and the major detail will happen just like the bible says.

[BeenReady]

Oh yeah.. the guy was held down and given the mark without his consent. I remember raising an eyebrow at that. I guess the premise was hanging on the word "accept". That character didn't "accept" the mark, he was "forced" to take the mark. Perhaps the authors were trying to make a point that it's a heart choice, and that force doesn't really come into play. Still, seemed like a reach to me. Thank God we won't be here to have to deal with it!

You're right. I forgot the details after reading it sooo long ago. I somehow feel that children won't be around when they implement the mark...but I could be wrong.

[Arriving]

well the mark is to buy and sell, so maybe young children wouldn't need it or maybe they're raptured along with the believers

[raptureme]

I always read "accept" as to a metaphor for desire.

Having the mark forced upon someone held down is like rape. I'm sure God would understand

[Ladybug]

well the mark is to buy and sell, so maybe young children wouldn't need it or maybe they're raptured along with the believers

I'm assuming that babies will be born after the Rapture (plus we don't know how much time will lapse between the Rapture and beginning of the Tribulation) so by the end of the Trib there should be 6-7 year old children.

[BlessedinHim]

When the rapture happens, the children who havent reached the aged of accountability, I believe, will be rapture, and the age of accountability, which is???? I think there will be some teenagers still here after the rapture. In this book, this young man was a ..... a young man, apparently after the age of accountability but still under is dad's rule, he was, afterall, oriental, and their culture is a little different than the US. I think bigger question to be raised is, would they give the mark to a person who is definitely against it but whose parents are in line behind him pushing him to take it.

I know this is all speculation and about a ficticious story based upon biblical truths. I think it is a good question, tho. but, another good question, a young adult or a child pass the age of accountability, why hasnt he accepted Christ? Fear of the parents? I can surely see that as a possiblility, there are some really domineering parents out in the world.

I am probably one of those domineering parents, just that I push that you should love God and you should seek Him and want to have Him live in your heart. I know I cant make them get saved, that is purely between them and the Lord, but I can make sure they know the difference and hope they choose Christ.