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The Rapture and the President
Hi all, I'm a new member and there is a question I've been struggling with in regards to the Rapture and America. If an American president is left here after the Rapture then how will the Antichrist supercede his power on the world stage? I personally think Obama or Romney would be left behind, but they would still be the President, so how exactly would they take a secondary role to the Antichrist? Any responses are appreciated.
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All the AC has to do is wage war and defeat them, or its more than likely that whoever is in charge of the US will simply
give up and surrender - even beg the AC to come take control.
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i agree. its likely that the world will be such a mess that almost everyone will literally beg the AC to take over and fix things
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It's even easier than war. Right now Obama is signing executive orders left and right that would supersede the constitution. During WW II, Americans of Japanese descent were denied their constitutional rights and held in prison type camps just for the crime of being Japanese.
In addition, I can't prove this, but I recall learning somewhere that if the people of the US are disatisfied with the government, they have the right call for a recall of the constitution and have a new type of government instated. I've also heard that the congress can vote to scrap the constitution in favor of some other form of government, but I can find no facts to back that up.
This is obvious, our president is proposing and signing unconstitutional laws, such as requiring Americans to pay for Obamacare, our judicial system is out of control, interpreting laws in a way that congress never meant them to be interpreted. Congress is more or less becoming a sort of a joke, allowing the Supreme Court unchecked power while the congress votes itself raises, passes pork barrel projects and worries more about voting along party lines, rather than voting for what is good for the American people who put them in office.
Now...take the total confusion that our government has gotten itself into with an inept leader at the helm, and throw it into a time of terrible turmoil and confusion which is what the rapture would most certainly result in. Let's say that whoever the potus is, they would love to rule the world! If the US were to remain separate and sovereign, that would make it very hard for the potus to become "fearless leader". With Europe and a lot of other peoples already looking for a one world leader, what a boon it would be to the person who delivers the US to a one world government. He'd have a chance to become that leader.
Not saying thimgs will happen this way, but it is a possibility.
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Here's my thinking..........Even when the ac comes to power, there will still be a need for the potus, and one for other countries as well. The difference is, they would be working under the umbrella of the ac. The ac would be calling the shots for the entire world, - and the potus would be implementing them in his territory.
It's kind of like a major retail company. You have the owner (or CEO) of the company making company wide decisions. These decisions are relayed to the territory president, who then relays it to the district manager, and them to the store managers. AC will be the "CEO" of the world, - but he will still need presidents, and the president will still need others (governors, mayors) to make sure all of these things are implemented. I don't see there will be a need for congress though, so unless they are chosen to work on the ac's team, they can kiss their jobs good-bye.
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Verisimilitude
We are but a few EO and a couple of UN treaties away from loosing soverenty now. The LOST treaty would have been a huge step in that direction.
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I think, if the POTUS is left behind after the Rapture occurs, he will hand over this country willingly. We are indeed heading for a One World Govt. and the POTUS, who is probably being groomed for the NWO and the acceptance of this "New World Leader" as we speak, will go along with the AC's plan willingly.
Maybe you all out there can tell me if you think Dan. 11:21 "he will obtain the kingdom with flatteries" is the antichrist. I'm not sure what those "flatteries" are, but, if this Scripture is the AC then this is how the AC will take over the whole world. It will be demonic, and if the POTUS is alive and kicking (and the USA hasn't been wipe out), his "flatteries" will win him over too. I think our Pres. is ripe for the picking.
For quite some time I wondered how an AC would be allowed to rule over the Arab world too. Then I was thinking if the war of Gog-Magog takes place before the AC comes to power wouldn't that be one way to decrease the number of leaders the AC will have to "flatter"?
Then I just learned the Mahdi (sp?) or the 12th Imman is someone the Islamic world is looking for as their savior. Could it be that they either accept the AC as the Mahdi, or will there be less leaders left from the Moslem world to allow for the takeover of the AC?
It would be interesting to see how the AC could convince the Islamic world to allow for the rebuilding of the temple if any of this occured before Ez. 38. Ez. 38 will probably happen before the AC comes to power, correct?
LynnE
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Question: "Is the United States of America in Bible prophesy?"
Answer: The United States of America is never explicitly mentioned in the Bible. In regard to the end times, the only nation the Bible seems to be concerned with, specifically, is Israel. Revelation does not mention any countries or nations, other than Israel (Revelation 7:4; 21:12). It mentions Babylon (Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2,10,21), but beyond that, it does not name specific places. Bible scholars debate whether this refers to a literal city of Babylon or whether Babylon is being used symbolically. Again, Israel is the focus of end-times Bible prophecy.
Why is the United States of America never mentioned in Bible prophecy? This could be for several reasons: (1) Perhaps the United States does not play an important role in the end times. (2) Perhaps the United States does not exist any more once the end times begin. (3) Perhaps the United States is included with all the other nations that reject God in the end times (Revelation 10:11; 11:18; 12:5; 14:8; 15:4; 16:19; 17:15; 18:3,23; 19:15). Option (3) is the most likely answer. The United States of America is the biggest supporter of Israel in the world today. This might not always be the case. http://www.gotquestions.org/united-states-Bible.html
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Obama or Romney will do whatever Satan puts into the minds.
Satan already is leading them both.
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We really don't know how U.S will play out during the end times... Remember we (U.S.) still have large number of Christians. When the Lord returns and takes us out along with the all the children and babies, United States will be reduced in numbers. At the same time, we are the great satan that most muslims want to wipe out... I would not be surprise if they do carry out their threats successfully. 9/11 will not be the last time we will be attacked. I bet a grand finale from the terrorist to attack U.S. any day now.... With us being gone and the terror attack at the same time would bring down the United States.
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The Rapture will be the last straw that causes the already fragile global economy to finally collapse. When the narcissistic world leaders are forced to admit that they are up to their eyeballs in alligators, they will gladly yield to the strangely familiar, outreached hand that has been pulling their strings and tickling their ears for eons... and the rest is prophecy.
Once the AC comes to power, most likely all government positions around the world will be by direct appointment. No more elections anywhere. Things are moving along very quickly. We may have already seen our last election.
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I obviously have no clue as to exactly how it will play out, but the scenario I see is that Americans will be in such dire need for a savior that they will gladly abandon the constitution and join the AC. Americans are proud of their country and its foundation, it would take a lot for us to drop that pride and join the AC. To me all it would take would be the rapture, war, civil war or massive civil unrest, economic depression and a president who stayed in office without an election. A starving people, frightened by the rapture and witnessing their traditional government being broken apart by a president who "in light of the current situation," instituted martial law after declaring a state of emergency and postponed elections. I think this would be enough for Americans to join. And yet the president probably would join even if it wasn't agreed with by the public. And of course this scenario is with the idea that this happened before November, but something along these lines could happen after wards too.
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Money.
America will become more dependent on the Antichrist's new Euro govt.
Another reason uncontrolled forces are financially draining this country.
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I think that's it. It is my thinking that economic collapse is going to come first, followed by a re-organizing of the world into a single monetary union controlled by 10 regions/rulers. Then the AC will be able to come on the scene. And remember that when he does come on the scene he "takes out" 3 of the 10 rulers first. That means they already have to be in power and the kingdom that he takes over is already in place. He isn't the one who organizes it.
Mighty to Save!
That's very fatalistic, and unfortunately, all too true.
My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away.
For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; the flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; the fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away.
Baruch haba b'Shem Adonai!
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I believe a substantial amount of american's will be raptured prior to the antichrist taking control of america. Also, believe the national debt, currency, will play a role and lead us to a one world government will be formed for his takeover.
Jesus, we are ready!!! My Lord, King, Savior, Messiah,
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Cris... your right on track!
The way I see it...
1) Global economic uncertainity exists today
2) Wars and skirmishes are popping up all over
3) People love to HATE more than they love to LOVE... No trust anymore
4) Rioting/killing and lawlessness abound today
5) Sin is having its heyday (as in the times of Noah)
6) Political and corporate corruptness are at a peak
7) Natural disasters and famine are on the rise
8) Fill in the blank ___________________
Then...
8) The Rapture occurs (millions disappear globally, World in total chaos (to each his own)
9) Global economic uncertainity now goes into a tailspin
10) Remaining leaders reconvene and elect a leader (Global Economic Leader)
11) The new leader insists that all GOVs hand over at least economic control
12) All National Debts are either forgiven or pooled together
13) A new currency is chosen so control/tracking can be put in place
14) The leader seems to be doing a great job... he has a plan
15) Each country hands total sovereignty to this leader (reduced to possibly region States)
The rest is historical (as prophesied)... Buzzardhut has a great timeline.
Ladies and Gentlemen B&S In Christ... We are nearly at this point. Keep your lamps trimmed, our redemption draweth nigh...
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While I don't like to judge other peoples salvation it does look like either way the election goes our next President will be left behind. Is this just a coincidence?
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Simple title changes are all that's needed for puppets:
President - Steward
First Lady - Stewardess
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