Why is everyone so mean to poor Obama?

[EJRJR]

Threads ebb and flow but the prevailing theme is to keep threads on point. We'll stay with you for the time being, through the twists in this one.



You're going to have to be much more specific. Social welfare has become a way of life - it's an entitlement in the minds of many - no one opposes giving someone a hand up - anyone with any sense should oppose giving hand outs that create only dependency.

Sadly this is true. Many consider social welfare a way of life. The problem is that currently it seems for every person who takes advantage of the system there is another who needs the system. As "all politics is local" Iwill give an example of a friend of mine. Ill call him Ted.

Ted had a great job. He worked hard got married to a wonderful woman who also worked very hard. They bought a house and had a beautiful daughter. They were living the american dream when I first met them. Ted found out about 2 years ago shortly before thanksgiving that the company he worked for had been sold and they were going to let him go at the end of the year. So they had a bit of a nest egg saved up and his wife was still employed and made decent money. Right before the end of the year Ted had an accident while trying to clean snow off his roof. He broke his ankle quite bad and needed surgery. I should also mention Ted carried the medical insurance for his family. So come the new year he was out of work and on unemployment. His wife started carrying the health insurance but because the ankle had already been injured it was considered a pre-existing condition and would not be covered under the new policy.

Roughly two years layer and Ted is still out of work and he is about to run out of unemplyment extensions. He had complications with his ankle and the cost has pretty much dried up their savings. I tell you all this because sadly he is for the most part a typical story lately. He is one who needs the help from the government right now. Hopefully he will find work soon but unfortunatley the longer he goes outside of a job the harder it is becoming to get one.

Ill ask you all to pray for him and his wife and daughter because they are not christians. I pray for them every day. I share with him every day the love Jesus has for him and his family and tell him how much he needs Jesus in his life but so far he has been stubborn to my efforts. Jesus will get to him yet. That is my hope.

[Cloud Watcher]

I have never seen a prior administration illustrate the verse "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil" more than this one does.

This man tells lies and easily as he breathes.

He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and does everything he can to override and undermine it, usurping the authority of Congress..

Christians, patriots, pro-life, and Tea Party people are considered potential terrorists.

He thinks it's perfectly fine to kill or throw away a living, breathing baby who managed to survive an abortion.

He disses our allies and kisses up to our enemies.

ad infinitum.

[Hootmon]

The government of the people should help all the people including those that are currently down on their luck.

Why is that the Federal government's responsibility?

[Steve53]

Sadly this is true. Many consider social welfare a way of life. The problem is that currently it seems for every person who takes advantage of the system there is another who needs the system. As "all politics is local" Iwill give an example of a friend of mine. Ill call him Ted.

Ted had a great job. He worked hard got married to a wonderful woman who also worked very hard. They bought a house and had a beautiful daughter. They were living the american dream when I first met them. Ted found out about 2 years ago shortly before thanksgiving that the company he worked for had been sold and they were going to let him go at the end of the year. So they had a bit of a nest egg saved up and his wife was still employed and made decent money. Right before the end of the year Ted had an accident while trying to clean snow off his roof. He broke his ankle quite bad and needed surgery. I should also mention Ted carried the medical insurance for his family. So come the new year he was out of work and on unemployment. His wife started carrying the health insurance but because the ankle had already been injured it was considered a pre-existing condition and would not be covered under the new policy.

Roughly two years layer and Ted is still out of work and he is about to run out of unemplyment extensions. He had complications with his ankle and the cost has pretty much dried up their savings. I tell you all this because sadly he is for the most part a typical story lately. He is one who needs the help from the government right now. Hopefully he will find work soon but unfortunatley the longer he goes outside of a job the harder it is becoming to get one.

Ill ask you all to pray for him and his wife and daughter because they are not christians. I pray for them every day. I share with him every day the love Jesus has for him and his family and tell him how much he needs Jesus in his life but so far he has been stubborn to my efforts. Jesus will get to him yet. That is my hope.

It is not the federal (echo) government's responsibility to see to the needs of your friend.

We will join you in praying for your friend's family, health and their salvation.

[EJRJR]

Obama declared his personal approval of same sex unions. This had nothing to do with legalities or rights -- his words reflected a lack of biblical morality. Your statements about Obama seem double minded to me.

I have not heard this declaration. Im not trying to be difficult but i just have not heard of him saying he personally approves of gay marriage.

[OnceWasLost]

I have not heard this declaration. Im not trying to be difficult but i just have not heard of him saying he personally approves of gay marriage.

People need to be better educated. You are not alone in your lack of knowing his view.

[BarbT]

EJRJR said:
I am against anyone that holds a pro-choice stance.

Oooops! EJRJR, progressives have now labeled you a hater.

It's too late to walk it back .... your public disagreement with infanticide has marked you as disrespectful, "disdainful", and clearly hateful toward your man Obama.


See how it works?

[EJRJR]

I have never seen a prior administration illustrate the verse "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil" more than this one does.

This man tells lies and easily as he breathes.

He took an oath to uphold the Constitution, and does everything he can to override and undermine it, usurping the authority of Congress..

Christians, patriots, pro-life, and Tea Party people are considered potential terrorists.

He thinks it's perfectly fine to kill or throw away a living, breathing baby who managed to survive an abortion.

He disses our allies and kisses up to our enemies.

ad infinitum.

How does he usurp the authority of Congress? I know he made some appointments during congressional recess, but he has not been the first President to do this. President Bush did that to appoint Amb. bolton to the U.N.

I hate his stance on abortion. I also hate the stance of anyone who would kill an unborn baby. So on that we whole heartily agree.

[EJRJR]

Oooops! EJRJR, progressives have now labeled you a hater.

It's too late to walk it back .... your public disagreement with infanticide has marked you as disrespectful, "disdainful", and clearly hateful toward your man Obama.


See how it works?

President Obama is not my man.

So i guess I am not progressive. I think ill be O.K.

[EJRJR]

People need to be better educated. You are not alone in your lack of knowing his view.

Thanks. I have not seen that clip before. And i agree he does say in so many words that he supports it personally, though he does it with the flair only like a politican can muster.

[EJRJR]

It is not the federal (echo) government's responsibility to see to the needs of your friend.

We will join you in praying for your friend's family, health and their salvation.

I will go ahead and disagree with you on this. In my opinion the government has a duty to protect its people. This protection is all inclusive and includes basic life necessities.

[Steve53]

My question is how do you live with the cognitive dissonace created by liberal thought verses Christian conservatism born of the Holy Spirit?

My question regarding your cognitive dissonance remains unaddressed.

[EJRJR]

Dissent is "hate" bringing up the SCOTUS view of the mandate when the obamacare law was what we were discussing. The Mass healthcare law, which has nothing to do with your alleged "hate" premise. All of this is subterfuge when we disagreed with your premise. We have been addressing your OP and you are not staying on point.

Again, what does that have to do with us "hating" I disagree with any mandatory healthcare scheme, so back to the topic.

Again, social welfare is more of a cause of distress than a remedy. The welfare state is not constitutional, nor is it Scriptural. Before you mention Acts 4 as a defense for welfare, that was the responsibility of the church, not the government. Feelings do not make for good policy and it can easily be demonstrated when the entitlement class rose we began the decline as a nation. When people become beholden to government for their well being they become 2 way victims. The government owns them and they are poorly taken care of.

Perhaps you need a new identification because liberals embrace those matters, in fact they have their own political party.

The identification i am most comfortable with is "Republican", in fact that is how I am registered to vote. Though as you can tell i am definately a "moderate" republican.

[OnceWasLost]

Thanks. I have not seen that clip before. And i agree he does say in so many words that he supports it personally, though he does it with the flair only like a politican can muster.

He is a calculating and deceptive man. I do carefully watch what he says but most of my countrymen do not. To some my scrutiny is "hateful" but I can't help their uninformed assessment. Ignorance is not bliss and this man is banking on people's apathy and lack of political education to continue to November.

[Steve53]

I will go ahead and disagree with you on this. In my opinion the government has a duty to protect its people. This protection is all inclusive and includes basic life necessities.

Marx and Lenin would be proud.

[OnceWasLost]

The identification i am most comfortable with is "Republican", in fact that is how I am registered to vote. Though as you can tell i am definately a "moderate" republican.

I am conservative, across the board, and the party that more closely carries my values is Republican. I can only hope they move back to a far more conservative position on many topics.

[Hootmon]

In my opinion the government has a duty to protect its people. This protection is all inclusive and includes basic life necessities.

From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.
--Karl Marx

[Steve53]

The identification i am most comfortable with is "Republican", in fact that is how I am registered to vote. Though as you can tell i am definately a "moderate" republican.

I still think you're wrestling with cognitive dissonance and the communism of the Liberal left has infected your thinking.

I have to leave for work now. No one is giving me a handout.

[EJRJR]

I dont believe there is any conflict in my political views and my christian belief. When I search for clarification in something in "the world" I find my answer in "the word" Someone said earlier that social welfare is not biblical. I believe that is true. But i also believe that it is not unbiblical.
I believe even christians can disagree on some things. Unless it is found in scripture, which is my basis for truth as i believe it is yours also, then there is room for discussion. I tried to let everyone know right off the bat that this was my opinion on the things ive seen on the board. Yes it was poorly worded, but I think the basis of my opinion came through.

[EJRJR]

Marx and Lenin would be proud.

I find this to be a rude reply.