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    Post office nears historic default on $5B payment

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    WASHINGTON (AP) - The U.S. Postal Service is bracing for a first-ever default on billions in payments due to the Treasury, adding to widening uncertainty about the mail agency's solvency as first-class letters plummet and Congress deadlocks on ways to stem the red ink.
    With cash running perilously low, two legally required payments for future postal retirees' health benefits - $5.5 billion due Wednesday, and another $5.6 billion due in September - will be left unpaid, the mail agency said Monday. Postal officials said they also are studying whether they may need to delay other obligations. In the coming months, a $1.5 billion payment is due to the Labor Department for workers compensation, which for now it expects to make, as well as millions in interest payments to the Treasury.
    The defaults won't stir any kind of catastrophe in day-to-day mail service. Post offices will stay open, mail trucks will run, employees will get paid, current retirees will get health benefits.
    But a growing chorus of analysts, labor unions and business customers are troubled by continuing losses that point to deeper, longer-term financial damage, as the mail agency finds it increasingly preoccupied with staving off immediate bankruptcy while Congress delays on a postal overhaul bill.

    Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe has described a "crisis of confidence" amid the mounting red ink that could lead even once-loyal customers to abandon use of the mail.
    "I think for my generation it was a great asset - if you had a letter or package and you needed it to get up to the North Pole, you knew it would be delivered," said Jim Husa, 87, of Lawrence, Mich., after stopping to mail letters recently at his local post office. Noting the mail agency's financial woes, he added: "Times have changed, and we old-timers know that. FedEx and UPS and the Internet seem to be making the Postal Service obsolete."
    Banks are promoting electronic payments, citing in part the growing uncertainty of postal mail. The federal government will stop mailing paper checks starting next year for millions of people who receive Social Security and other benefits, paying via direct deposit or debit cards instead.
    First-class mail volume, which has fallen 25 percent since 2006, is projected to drop another 30 percent by 2016.
    Art Sackler, co-coordinator of the Coalition for a 21st Century Postal Service, a group representing the private-sector mailing industry, said the payment defaults couldn't come at a worse time, as many major and mid-sized mailers are preparing their budgets for next year.
    "The impact of the postal default may not be seen by the public, but it will be felt by the business community," he said. "Mailers will be increasingly wary about the stability of the Postal Service. The logical and likely move would be to divert more mail out of the system."
    The Postal Service, an independent agency of government, does not receive taxpayer money for operations but it is subject to congressional control. It estimates that it is now losing $25 million a day, which includes projected savings it had expected to be accruing by now if Congress this spring had approved its five-year profitability plan. That plan would cut Saturday delivery, reduce low-volume postal facilities and end its obligation to pay more than $5 billion each year for future retiree health payments.
    While the Senate passed a bill in April that provides an $11 billion cash infusion to help the mail agency avert a default, it also would delay many of the planned postal cuts for another year or two. The House remains stalled over a measure that allows for the aggressive cuts the Postal Service prefers; that's unlikely to move forward this year, partly due to concerns among rural lawmakers over cutbacks in their communities.
    The Postal Service originally sought to close low-revenue post offices in rural areas to save money but after public opposition agreed to keep 13,000 open with shorter operating hours. The Postal Service also is delaying the closing of many mail processing centers, originally set to begin this spring. The estimated annual savings of $2.1 billion won't be realized until the full cuts are completed in late 2014.
    The postal uncertainty offers opportunities for banks, which can save up to one-third of the cost of processing checks if payments are made electronically. JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc. (C) and Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) have been urging electronic transactions.
    "This could be a watershed event to motivate consumers and businesses to stop writing checks," said Rodney Gardner, head of global receivables at Bank of America, who recently reviewed the topic at a conference with insurance companies.
    The Postal Service, which releases third-quarter financial results next week, has projected a record $14.1 billion loss for the year. It expects to avoid bankruptcy in October only by defaulting on the two health prepayments, totaling $11.1 billion. It faces a cash crunch again next year.
    Fredric Rolando, president of the National Association of Letter Carriers, notes that the onerous health payment for future retirees - something not required of any other government agency or private business - is to blame for much of the post office's red ink. He faults Congress for mandating the payments in 2006, saying they force the post office every year into a "panic mode that absorbs energy and resources" rather than focusing on longer-term innovation.
    "The word 'default' sounds ominous, but in reality this is a default on the part of Congress," Rolando said.
    In 2007 and 2008, the Postal Service initially had profits of roughly $3 billion but fell into the red after making the health payments. In more recent years, it has suffered annual losses of $2 billion to $5 billion even after factoring out the health payments; by 2016, the mail agency expects to lose $21.3 billion a year, of which $5.8 billion will be caused by that payment.
    Peter Nesvold, a financial analyst with Jefferies and Co., says the post office's financial future will depend on how Congress resolves its conflict over the mail agency's core mission. While the Postal Service is a business expected to stay afloat, it also has a legal obligation to provide uniform first-class mail service even to sparsely populated, far-flung areas of the U.S., all for the same price of a 45-cent postage stamp. UPS and FedEx don't deliver to those areas that are less profitable, contracting with the Postal Service to get the job done.
    Last year, first-class mail contributed to 49 percent of the Postal Service's total revenue; by 2016, that share will drop to 41 percent. The mail agency has been seeking to pick up the slack by promoting its fast-growing package business as a cheaper alternative to FedEx and UPS, as well as encouraging more use of "standard mail," which are advertising circulars and catalogs often referred to as "junk mail."
    Linda Graham, a postmaster in Hope, Alaska, says she understands the Postal Service's financial dilemma. Her rural postal branch may see its hours reduced from eight to four hours a day. "I feel that right now the post office is really grasping to try to make things work. I mean, they're losing money," she said.
    Graham acknowledges her postal branch could probably get by if it were open just 6 hours a day, but believes that a bigger cut would be "suicide" for the town because of the role it plays as a community gathering place. "That's a real concern. So I just tell people, write more letters, buy more stamps," she said.
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    Associated Press writers Robert Ray in Lawrence, Mich., and Mark Thiessen in Hope, Alaska, contributed to this report.
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    I know company retirement plans and 401Ks and pensions are nice to offer an employee, but how can these businesses sustain themselves by continuing to pay hundreds of FORMER employees? Look at the USPS, it is a gov. run business...
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    A while back I got an unsolicited phone call about doing something with regards to contacting legislatures with regards to the post office problems. I vaguely remembering telling the caller that somehow or other the post office was going to have to change how it did business and become both competitive and profitable, otherwise it'll continue to be used less and less. We still need the postal system, but a lot less than we did, say 20 years ago.
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    The problem is this: Congress wants 50 years of retirement benefits; funded in 10 years, during a record recession. No business in the world has ever been required to do this.

    If it weren't for the "pre-funding", USPS would actually be in the black.

    The problem is; it's a private business, managed by the government. I believe Congress is doing a shakedown to milk USPS of all the money they can, so they can raid the benefits fund as they have with Social Security.

    Retirement-eligible (more than 20 years, older than 50) employees make half their previous pay, similar to the military.

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    From the article:

    Banks are promoting electronic payments, citing in part the growing uncertainty of postal mail. The federal government will stop mailing paper checks starting next year for millions of people who receive Social Security and other benefits, paying via direct deposit or debit cards instead.
    Interesting how the USPS is a casualty of society going cashless and looks like it will be a catalyst for it as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shonsu View Post
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    Interesting how the USPS is a casualty of society going cashless and looks like it will be a catalyst for it as well.
    The way things are going, the only thing that will soon need to go through the mail is packages (purchases, gifts, etc.). There are so many different options for communicating over distances now that that type of mail is all but obsolete. Very rural areas are very dependent on the ability to get packages through some form of mail system...
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    This is what happens when the government tries to run a business..

    The Managers of the USPS actually have a pretty solid plan to get back in the black and keep most of the pensions, however, CONGRESS won't let them implement it.. How dare USPS actually CLOSE a little used post office.. How DARE they consolidate mail processing facilities.. How DARE they try to limit retirement cost and reduce employees by offering early retirement. . HOw DARE the post office actually try to dump unprofitable lines of business.

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    This is what happens when unions run a business.

    The Auto companies are suffering already.

    401ks work very well. Pensions kill business. Its all there in the math.
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    You said it, More than Ready!

    I think the dumbest thing I have seen, the flat sorter machines. They used to take about 20 people to work each flat sorter. USPS got machines. Now they don't need anyone, but the union fought, and won, the "right" for one mail handler to stand by each flat sorter machine and watch it work. They aren't running the machine, just watching it do the work of 20 people. They could put the mail handlers on the DBCSS' or something, but no, the union "won" this "right" for the mail handlers.

    Or, they could have trained them to become tow motor operators, or electronic technicians (all the equipment needs servicing)....

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    I really like getting my mail delivered. I would hate to see the postal service go. I've lived in a situation before where I had to go get my mail at a box. It is such a hassle.

    But I think a big question is this: Why, why do people keep voting in the same people to work in Washington? Their approval rating is in the toilet, yet they keep their jobs because voters let them.

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    I think it's mainly 2 things.

    1. Too lazy to vote.
    2. Vote for the incumbent because they don't want to do research.

    My Dad once told me he doubted any, ethical, man would survive the primary process. He may be right.

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    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...fits-mess.html

    What do you think about this?
    "The best way forward is to cut our losses, deregulate the post office and sell it -- as has been done all over Europe. Regardless of how the retiree health issue is handled, declining mail volumes mean that the USPS will eventually become insolvent if it is not reformed; the only question is when. Relieving the post office of the obligation to pay the $5.5 billion this year would give us breathing room to get that necessary restructuring done.

    And going forward, we should require government entities to pre-fund their health benefits, just as the USPS should have been doing all along. Retiree health benefits are non-trivial costs, and if governments are required to pre-fund, they will be less likely to make irresponsible promises of the sort that sank Stockton and that have helped to undermine the Postal Service."

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    Civil Service Retirement= 30yrs at age 55, 20 years at age 60, 5 yrs at age 65. The way to figure retirement is the first 5years is 1.5% a year, the 2nd 5 years at 1.75 a year, then on it is 2 percent a year after that. So if you are 20 years service at age 60 it would equal 36.5% of your average high 3 years of pay. 30 yrs at 55 would net you 56.5. The new system has changed a lot, it is called FERS. We over funded our health care and retirement. With the grid lock I believe Obama used our retirement reserve to fund the government. The retirement is funded by postal revenue not taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    This is what happens when unions run a business.

    The Auto companies are suffering already.

    401ks work very well. Pensions kill business. Its all there in the math.
    But math is cold and hard; it's logical and follows certain unbreakable, undeniable truths. Those things are liberals' worst nightmares. Just as a building must adhere to the laws of physics to remain standing so too must a business adhere to the laws of mathematics. Hand-waving will only get you so far when it comes down to numbers.
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    Just another big sign that stable, dependable government institutions are right around the corner of total collapse. Since people are using email or cell phones to communicate, going paperless with their bills/banking statements this all contributes to the problems of this postal debt. The other day I asked a postal clerk behind the desk what she was going to do for retirement? She started to cry. I briefly witnessed to her but she didn't want to hear the Good News. Another day, I was at a different post office and I asked 2 other postal workers their future plans and they both shrug and laughed it off. They seem to be going with the flow, they said they're just glad they have still have a job. I noticed my home mail gets delivered now around 4:30 p.m. instead of 1:30 p.m. I take it they might have cut back on workers(?). I don't complain, I'm just grateful I still get home delivery mail.
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    I am not paperless.I send my bills in by check and mail.I would hate it if they made all of us go wireless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMSAVED View Post
    I am not paperless.I send my bills in by check and mail.I would hate it if they made all of us go wireless.
    I'm with you IMSAVED.

    I do not want to go paperless either. I also like to file my tax returns the old fashion way, paper vs electronic. However, they seem to make it harder and harder each year to get the paper tax forms and books. The library still carries certain ones or you have to download them from the IRS website. But who knows if this is still an option in 2013. I don't believe their lie "if you file electrically you will get your reimbursement faster". I filed the paper version in Feb. and received my reimbursement BEFORE my co-worker who filed the same day electronically.
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    The politicians refuse to admit the pre-funded retirement, [which I incorrectly stated as 50 years, is really 75 years in advance] as the MAJORITY reason for the USPS money problems. Take away the pre-funding, and you have a very viable company. USPS is REQUIRED to do 75 year's worth of retirement in 10 years. Required by congress, which in my opinion, wants a "cookie jar" to raid as desired.

    That is not anywhere logical. It's like demanding you buy groceries for your unborn great-grandkids. For their whole lifetime. In a week.

    The deregulated mail services are notoriously awful, expensive, and inefficient. The private companies are just looking to make a quick buck. They will take the "good" lucrative routes, and leave the rural and difficult ones unserviced.

    I, personally, believe this mandate came down with the intention of destroying USPS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shonsu View Post
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    Interesting how the USPS is a casualty of society going cashless and looks like it will be a catalyst for it as well.
    Australia hasn't had cheque payments for welfare since the dawn of electronic transfers, the late 80s as I can recall. It's kind of funny reading how the US still has cheque payments. Seems so antiquated.

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