are you in favor tokugawa shoguns persecuting roman catholic missionaries?

[lancelim]

in the history of japan, christianity is supposed to bloom just like in the gentile nations of the bible. what do you think the fate of japanese martyr christians being missioned by roman catholic jesuit missionaries? are they gone to hell or God will put a consideration on the rcc martyrs for christ? is it ok for you for tokugawa ieyasu iemitsu to persecute jesuits because they feared the threat of Christian God?

[iSong6:3]

Put me down for *Not in Favor of Anyone Being Persecuted*.

[Tall Timbers]

Put me down for *Not in Favor of Anyone Being Persecuted*.

Plus 1... and as far as where Martyrs end up... depends on each one individually...

[lancelim]

when jesuits are martyred for christ do they still wind up in hell?

[Jesuschangesall]

when jesuits are martyred for christ do they still wind up in hell?

Which Jesus?
there are a thousands of different ones out there,..
only 1 is true,the JESUS of The Holy Bible....to my knowledge not the Jesuits Jesus....
Jesuits are scary ...... witchcraft

[ThePenguin]

when jesuits are martyred for christ do they still wind up in hell?

Depends. In whom is their faith?

[HeIsEnough]

in the history of japan, christianity is supposed to bloom just like in the gentile nations of the bible.

I don't know what this actually means. Nothing in scripture promises a "bloom", if anything, we can expect a remnant. To my knowledge, Japan is a closed society, they suffer for it in this regard, it is what it is, no slack will be given to Japan or any other nation.

what do you think the fate of japanese martyr christians being missioned by roman catholic jesuit missionaries? are they gone to hell or God will put a consideration on the rcc martyrs for christ? is it ok for you for tokugawa ieyasu iemitsu to persecute jesuits because they feared the threat of Christian God?

All people on a sinking ship die. The kingdom is not taken by force, it is a voluntary citizenship.

Martyrs for the cause of Christ wind up under the altar in heaven. Real martyrs know the score, its not an issue, God will repay, else they are not real martyrs. I get the sense of your writing that you desire people to discern which is better, a rotten apple, or one half eatin by a rat. Its just not making much sense to me, care to clarify what you are getting at?

Few know the history of Jesuit "missionary" work in Japan, if thats what it could be called. Maybe some other background might help for people interested. The RCC will pay for its misdeeds in this world, Japan is likely one of many nations. God will repay to them what they have done to others.

[lancelim]

[QUOTE=HeIsEnough;2276631]I don't know what this actually means. Nothing in scripture promises a "bloom", if anything, we can expect a remnant. To my knowledge, Japan is a closed society, they suffer for it in this regard, it is what it is, no slack will be given to Japan or any other nation.

japan once have significant christian populations through jesuit efforts but significantly decreased due to shogun persecution?

there are many japanese who accepted christianity through xavier efforts but they havent encountered biblical christianity only through jesuits? there are many martyrs dying for christ, can you tell me where did they go after they die? did God made consideration due to their limited knowledge and revelation or they go in hell just as salvation by works believers have always do?

[Wally]

Lance...

Where do mormon converts go? They are taught about Jesus.

So are muslims. They hear about Isa too.


If it's a different Jesus, it's a different destination.


Now as to the matter of faith and heart, that alone is for God to judge.
Those who worship in ignorance, but trust God to deliver are the ones we have but to preach to.
Delivering the Gospel is our command.

Salvation is God's command to His Son.



Philippians 1:12-20 New King James Version (NKJV)

12 But I want you to know, brethren, that the things which happened to me have actually turned out for the furtherance of the gospel, 13 so that it has become evident to the whole palace guard, and to all the rest, that my chains are in Christ; 14 and most of the brethren in the Lord, having become confident by my chains, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.

15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

19 For I know that this will turn out for my deliverance through your prayer and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ, 20 according to my earnest expectation and hope that in nothing I shall be ashamed, but with all boldness, as always, so now also Christ will be magnified in my body, whether by life or by death.

[JPE]

Lance, Islam teaches that its martyrs earn their way into paradise. That is not a Christian teaching.

Jesus said He alone is the sheep gate.

It is by grace through faith that anyone is made righteous before God.

Is that your understanding of what the Bible teaches?

[HeIsEnough]

japan once have significant christian populations through jesuit efforts but significantly decreased due to shogun persecution?

there are many japanese who accepted christianity through xavier efforts but they havent encountered biblical christianity only through jesuits? there are many martyrs dying for christ, can you tell me where did they go after they die? did God made consideration due to their limited knowledge and revelation or they go in hell just as salvation by works believers have always do?

According to scripture, anyone martyred for Christ in this age, will go to a place under the altar of God in heaven, waiting along with us for our redemption. Revelation 6:9

As with all peoples, the Lord knows the heart. I don't understand enough of the details of the Jesuits and what they did in Japan to say much. Maybe someone else is familiar.

The gospel is simple though, and those who put their trust in Christ, in spite of men like the Jesuits, shall be saved.

[lancelim]

According to scripture, anyone martyred for Christ in this age, will go to a place under the altar of God in heaven, waiting along with us for our redemption. Revelation 6:9

As with all peoples, the Lord knows the heart. I don't understand enough of the details of the Jesuits and what they did in Japan to say much. Maybe someone else is familiar.

The gospel is simple though, and those who put their trust in Christ, in spite of men like the Jesuits, shall be saved.

i do not know about roman catholic jesuits? i know they teach salvation by faith and works but thats the only christianity japan has been exposed that of the time? if God will put these sincere japanese believers in hell wont he be fair?

[HeIsEnough]

i do not know about roman catholic jesuits? i know they teach salvation by faith and works but thats the only christianity japan has been exposed that of the time? if God will put these sincere japanese believers in hell wont he be fair?

Well, if God did put some in hell, would you call Him unfair?

Many think God unfair I guess, but people should also realize we can see about 10% of what we need to make a real judgment.

I'm extremely confident the Lord will be 100% correct in all His judgments.

As I stated, the gospel is simple, and even if its given by a false teacher teaching falsely, God has a way of asking the right questions in a man's heart. Its not merely words that we hear when we hear the word of God, but its the Holy Spirit that convicts at the same time. Can a man who hears a works based gospel believe in Christ alone for salvation? I believe so. Its what I initially heard and it didn't stop the Lord from correcting it in my mind. I would assume the same for anyone else.