Fianancial collapse of America - pre or post Rapture?

[WVBORN56]

My vote is a stong yes to rapture before the economic collapse for several reasons. When the USA collapses economically the rest of world will as well. That will put us into Revelation chapter 6 very quickly and we know the church is gone before that. Also the AC will have to come on the scene to put things back together and again we are long gone before he arrives on the world stage. The final reason is we know that we are gone prior to the collapse because it is very clear to me we leave when it is still business as usual aka The Days of Noah, when everyone was eating, drinking and giving in marrige.

The economies around the world are now on the verge of collapse and it will IMO be the rapture that drives the final nail in the worlds economic coffin. We can watch Syria/Damascus and Iran and see the lid is about to blow there as well. God is putting the final touches on the church age and seems to be ready to fully turn his attention back to Israel. I think it is time to pack our proverbial bags and get ready for heaven!

Maranatha!

[In Christ]

WVBORN ... Very close to my thoughts as well. It could be a collapse of one or two European nations that brings the US totally down which in turn totally derails Europe and China. One thing for sure is the Global economic collapse will cause the AC to build the "New World Order/OWG". All resources globally will have to be pooled together so that each nation can attempt to survive the tribulation through the anti-christs socialistic distribution system.

Rapture before Collapse...

[Bubbeto4]

I am leaning towards after the Rapture of us all because of Matt. 24:37-38 mentioned in the OP.. Right now we have
"tribulations" in all areas of our lives-financially, spiritually, physically-just look at all the needs of everyone that we pray for here at RR.

Because I think we could be on the brink of financial destruction at any moment we have Christ-the Holy Spirit to make sure we are not in total collapse as yet. We call Him the Restrainer. At least this how I see the scriptures; that He is holding it all together until He comes to take us away:

2Thessalonians 2:1-7

"Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ[a] had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin[b] is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God[c] in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[d] who now restrains will do so until He[e] is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

Everyone, even the world, wonders why it hasn't fallen yet. I think we know why it hasn't. He'll be coming soon to get us before this cataclysmic event happens. "Look up for your redemption draweth nigh"

[$teve]

Haven't before considered the connection between the restrainer and subsequent financial, economic and other chaos due to the removal of the restrainer from the world. Interesting. Supports the idea that the rapture will be the cause of the final complete collapse of the world economy and financial system.

[Tall Timbers]

Financial collapse of America - pre or post Rapture?

Since this thread started, I've continued to ponder the question above. I suspect that the collapse of the dollar is going to be protracted and that we're already well into that period of collapse. I expect we'll continue to see food prices shoot up as the dollar loses value and the country becomes less mighty among the nations of the world.

So I think we're already in that period of collapse (a period in which it is impossible to turn back because we're too far gone to recover). If I'm right, it's starting before the rapture and just might not complete it's course until after the rapture.

[Nate928]

Going back to the fact that it will be as the daya of Noah, even non believers feel like change is upon us. An economic collapse will send that awareness over the edge. But we know that it will be God taking us home that catches the worlds attention.

[Godslove]

War comes first then economic collapse. IMO

[OtherSideOfTheBoat]

Going back to the fact that it will be as the daya of Noah, even non believers feel like change is upon us. An economic collapse will send that awareness over the edge. But we know that it will be God taking us home that catches the worlds attention.

Days of Noah? Hmm. Well, now that I think about it we know what happened back then. Whether or not the pre-flood currency was edging down when the flood came it didn't matter. It was gone, all gone. You might say it was all washed up. The economy had to completely start over.

[Musician in His house]

Financial collapse of America - pre or post Rapture?

Since this thread started, I've continued to ponder the question above. I suspect that the collapse of the dollar is going to be protracted and that we're already well into that period of collapse. I expect we'll continue to see food prices shoot up as the dollar loses value and the country becomes less mighty among the nations of the world.

So I think we're already in that period of collapse (a period in which it is impossible to turn back because we're too far gone to recover). If I'm right, it's starting before the rapture and just might not complete it's course until after the rapture.

A slow slide down a slippery slope, suddenly speeding south when we supernaturally soar skyward.

Simple and succinct, TT. Your suspicions may soon be solidified.

[Jan51]

A slow slide down a slippery slope, suddenly speeding south when we supernaturally soar skyward.

Simple and succinct, TT. Your suspicions may soon be solidified.

Clever clever!

[Poppycat]

A slow slide down a slippery slope, suddenly speeding south when we supernaturally soar skyward.

Simple and succinct, TT. Your suspicions may soon be solidified.

Cleverclogs I agree with TT too. Rev. 6:4-5 seems to be saying this and we can see already how it is being set up and also part of what the Holy Spirit is holding back.

[Musician in His house]

I bet we would be astounded if we could see into the spiritual and see just how much the Spirit is holding back right now. I have the picture in my mind of shoppers on Black Friday, waiting impatiently at the doors of a store at 4 AM for the doors to open. As opening time gets closer (the Rapture), the shoppers (demons) grow more anxious and impatient as they beat on the doors (the Restrainer) that are blocking them. Once those doors are opened, all Hell will literally break loose as they run rampant, creating havoc and chaos.

I think we see glimpses of this in the hatred we're seeing against Christians and moral principles now. I think we saw it in the Occupy gatherings where lawlessness was rampant, and the participants were so surprised that crimes were being committed in "their" camp that they tried to hide it as much as possible and deal with it internally with so-called council meetings. I think we see it in the groups of youth who flash-rob stores. I think we see it in the disconnect between what people in high places say and what they do, and when their lies are found out, they just go on as if nothing has been said. I think we saw it in the Arab Spring that flew through the M.E. and has resulted in the Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt and who is now crucifying their critics. How long before Coptic Christians will be in that category? I think we saw it in the hateful rhetoric against Chick-fil-A and Dan Cathy simply because he said "we believe in the Biblical view of marriage." He didn't even say "we oppose gay marriage," but people knew exactly what he meant and they took an innocent statement and blew it up. Lots of people posted angry and hateful comments on Twitter, Facebook, etc., but very few showed up on "kiss-in" day, as opposed to the appreciation day when hundreds of thousands gave Chick-fil-A the best one-day sales they'd likely ever had.

I could go on . . .

[grace-saved]

I agree with you, Musician. The restrainer who restrains is literally holding everything in check. I like your analogy of the black-friday shoppers. I also see a dyke with holes being plugged by the Dutchboy's fingers. Only behind that dyke is poison instead of water. When the dyke breaks the poison will completely infiltrate every drop of water. Glad we won't be here for it.

[steinhatchee]

I agree with you, Musician. The restrainer who restrains is literally holding everything in check. I like your analogy of the black-friday shoppers. I also see a dyke with holes being plugged by the Dutchboy's fingers. Only behind that dyke is poison instead of water. When the dyke breaks the poison will completely infiltrate every drop of water. Glad we won't be here for it.

... made me think of New Orleans during Katrina .

[$teve]

I bet we would be astounded if we could see into the spiritual and see just how much the Spirit is holding back right now. I have the picture in my mind of shoppers on Black Friday, waiting impatiently at the doors of a store at 4 AM for the doors to open. As opening time gets closer (the Rapture), the shoppers (demons) grow more anxious and impatient as they beat on the doors (the Restrainer) that are blocking them. Once those doors are opened, all Hell will literally break loose as they run rampant, creating havoc and chaos.

I think we see glimpses of this in the hatred we're seeing against Christians and moral principles now. I think we saw it in the Occupy gatherings where lawlessness was rampant, and the participants were so surprised that crimes were being committed in "their" camp that they tried to hide it as much as possible and deal with it internally with so-called council meetings. I think we see it in the groups of youth who flash-rob stores. I think we see it in the disconnect between what people in high places say and what they do, and when their lies are found out, they just go on as if nothing has been said. I think we saw it in the Arab Spring that flew through the M.E. and has resulted in the Muslim Brotherhood taking over Egypt and who is now crucifying their critics. How long before Coptic Christians will be in that category? I think we saw it in the hateful rhetoric against Chick-fil-A and Dan Cathy simply because he said "we believe in the Biblical view of marriage." He didn't even say "we oppose gay marriage," but people knew exactly what he meant and they took an innocent statement and blew it up. Lots of people posted angry and hateful comments on Twitter, Facebook, etc., but very few showed up on "kiss-in" day, as opposed to the appreciation day when hundreds of thousands gave Chick-fil-A the best one-day sales they'd likely ever had.

I could go on . . .

Other developments worth mentioning is the general seemingly increase of violence and immorality around the world. We are reading daily, yes daily now as I am seeing it, of deadly suicide bombings and massacres taking place around various Middle East and African countries. I don't ever recall it being so frequent and widespread. Western society is cranking the gears upward in street violence and immorality, some stuff I seen reported and posted here and there on news channels and social media has me just questioning how much longer.

[Buzzardhut]

Other developments worth mentioning is the general seemingly increase of violence and immorality around the world. We are reading daily, yes daily now as I am seeing it, of deadly suicide bombings and massacres taking place around various Middle East and African countries. I don't ever recall it being so frequent and widespread. Western society is cranking the gears upward in street violence and immorality, some stuff I seen reported and posted here and there on news channels and social media has me just questioning how much longer.

Happening here in the states as well.

[Geri7]

I believe the financial collapse of America will happen AFTER the rapture. The secret masons in high ranking power have been keeping everything afloat for the past few years. Surprisingly, they also believe in a rapture and can't wait for it to happen so that we are gone from the scene.

I saw an interesting Smart Phone advertisement this weekend. They are pushing people to purchase the latest "Smart Phone" so you don't have to use your credit card or cash. They make it sound like the best thing since slice bread. Its so quick and easy, no carrying credit cards or cash to get robbed. By using your Smart Phone you just press a few buttons to wire transfer you money from your bank account to the grocery vendor.

I can see this scenario happening, once the rapture occurs, the American dollar crashes. They will use this wireless "Smart Phone" method (first 3 1/2 years of tribulation) and then the crooks will just find another way to intercept and ruin this method. By then its mid point into the tribulation period and the antichrist will come up with his mark/micro chip/skin patch, etc. and the world will readily accept it. He will cause them to receive his mark.

[vbf]

Many terrific responses!!! Jesus, please come get us soon!!!!!!