Mormon Temple Ceremony - hidden cam

[HumbleBerean]

There are more videos like this from an ex Mormon who took hidden camera videos. In this one(its long)The Temple Endowment Ceremony, it shows a movie that the Mormons watch. Exposes their belief of multiple gods - Elohim and Jehovah are referred to as separate gods. One of the things that really struck a cord with me was at about the 21:00 mark as the movie depicts Lucifer deceiving Adam and Eve in the garden, Satan tells them that the apron is a sign of power and priesthood. Then as Adam hears Elohim and Jehovah calling for them, Satan tells them they had better put on their fig leaf aprons. Its at this point that they stop the movie and instruct the Mormons to put on the apron. So let me get this straight. Satan just instructed you to put on an apron, the Mormon leadership tells you the exact same thing at the exact same time and not one person questions it?

[Raphael]

I would recommend that all set aside some time to watch as much of this as you can stomach. At least watch the last ten minutes or so to see grown people sticking their hands through curtains and grasping the hands of higher-ups behind the curtains to give secret handshakes and receive secret signs and names - some for themselves, and some for the dead.

They swear before "God, the angels, and those present". They consecrate everything to the Mormon Church. They vow to avoid loud laughter. Peter, James, and John are sent to Adam and Eve to begin the secret processes.

This saved me some money, because I no longer need to go to a sci-fi movie in hopes of seeing anything more bizarre.

[ithacagurl]

wow

[IMSAVED]

That is really,really creepy.I can remember years ago a woman was in the hospital and would refuse to take off her "garment".

[Chaya]

Much of this is from Freemasonry - the signs, handshakes, apron...

[Raphael]

Definitely Mason-influenced: levels of "consecration", inner-sanctum secrets, oath-taking, with a little Opie Taylor "Keeper of the Secret Flame" treehouse politics thrown in.

Adam, Eve, and the Devil look like they just came out of hair appointments at California Concept.

How did mysteries revealed in the New Testament become "old boy's club" secrets? We are to declare the (true) gospel openly, not hide it "behind the curtain" for a select few.

[mbrown1219]

All of my Mormon friends seem nicer than most other people.

I had no idea this is what their secret veil was.... I remember being told by Mormon missionaries (when I was very young) that we all originate in Heaven and that God puts a "secret veil" between us and Him when we come to earth.



I'd like to know how it is that they have such a "niceness" aura?

[Raphael]

My opinion: This is a very controlling cult which is difficult to escape. They are strong on family values, to the point of telling Mormons considering marrying non-Mormons that the church cannot "bless" such a union.

Also: Like Catholicism, this is a works-based religion. Mormons cannot tell you they are ever assured of their salvation - therefore, they need to be "nice" and commit everything to their cult, or their eternal outlook is dim indeed. If thrown out of the "church", it's dim without a doubt.

Anyone see the commercial with the smiley, brainwashed couple advertising the "bundle"? "We ALL bundle...Puppy". If a young Mormon comes to your door, and seems to be responding to your presentation of Biblical truth, he will be reported back to the "stake".

The "veil" between us and God was rent at Calvary. Many prefer to replace it with "scales" over their eyes.

[IMSAVED]

My opinion: This is a very controlling cult which is difficult to escape. They are strong on family values, to the point of telling Mormons considering marrying non-Mormons that the church cannot "bless" such a union.

Also: Like Catholicism, this is a works-based religion. Mormons cannot tell you they are assured of their salvation - therefore, they need to be "nice" and commit everything to their cult, or their eternal outlook is dim indeed. If thrown out of the "church", it's dim without a doubt.

Anyone see the commercial with the smiley, brainwashed couple advertising the "bundle"? "We ALL bundle...Puppy". If a young Mormon comes to your door, and seems to be responding to your message, he will be reported back to the "stake".

The "veil" between us and God was rent at Calvary. Many prefer to replace it with "scales" over their eyes.

Yes,I used to live in a neighborhood where alot of Mormons lived.My daughter used to play with some and have them over.Their philosophy is....If you want to stay in the family you marry a Mormon.

[organgrinder]

I lived and worked amongst the Mormons in southeast Idaho for 11 years. Great people... but totally lost. They think what they have is right and they will even agree with you on believing in Jesus and the "Trinity". However, their understanding of Jesus and the Trinity are not orthodox. They keep their people very busy baptiizing for the dead and church meetings. If you are busy, you really don't have time to study the word of God. Satan's great plan. It is a works based religion. They are absolutely convinced what they have is pure and right and what anybody else has is absolutely false. Southeast Idaho and Utah are the only places on earth where a Jew is considered a Gentile.

These folks have believed Satan's lie which goes right back to the Garden. Cast doubt on what God said for it really can't be believed. All major cults do this. The word of God is flawed and so we need to come up with an "unflawed" book, i.e. the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants and Pearl of Great Price in this case. If the Book of Mormon contradicts what the Bible says than it is the Bible that is wrong, for evil people changed the word of God over the years and what we have can't be believed. It's the old lie wrapped in different clothes.

It is most difficult for them to leave their church, much like it is for Muslims to renounce their beliefs. Family and pressures are extreme to "toe the line". I knew people who went before the stake elders (not steak house, but more like a dicocese) to renounce their faith and be officially taken off the membership roles. Most had traumatic experiences.

An acquaintance of mine, Jim Spencer and his wife left the LDS church in the early 1970s. He wrote a book on it and unfortunately I lent it to a friend and haven't gotten it back. It tells his story of conversion and leaving the cult.

Absolutely great neighbors and people, but spiritually dead according to the scriptures.

God bless.

-Speedy

[EarsToHear]

That movie reminds me of the old Titan movies, with the Greek god kings in the heavens looking down on Earth at the activities of humans, and sending lesser gods down to intervene every now and then.

Typical cult, complete with specific procedures that are "holy" and need to be kept secret.

Wonder what they do when someone is missing a finger, or hand or arm.

[Raphael]

Spot on. The mythological Prometheus was a Titan. He stole fire from Olympus and brought it to man, helping man, but incurring the wrath of the "gods". He has become a symbol of "striving".

Look at how integral Satan is (in the Mormon Eden) to man's "progress" toward "godhood". As pointed out, the original part-truth about "becoming as gods" allowed Adam and Eve to know something useless to them. But Mormons still in essence give Satan credit for the power he encouraged man to steal - they consider Jesus as a sort of "brother" or equal "board member" to Satan.

[Steve53]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some Obama sycophant tries to pull off the "religion" card with something like footage from this or some other YouTube video as the election approaches the 11th hour. Of course the "campaign" will officially disavow any knowledge aforethought of the deplorable tactic but by then the damage will have been done.....

[IMSAVED]

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if some Obama sycophant tries to pull off the "religion" card with something like footage from this or some other YouTube video as the election approaches the 11th hour. Of course the "campaign" will officially disavow any knowledge aforethought of the deplorable tactic but by then the damage will have been done.....

I think the fact that Romney is Mormon will be a big factor in Obama's campaign.

[mbrown1219]

I lived and worked amongst the Mormons in southeast Idaho for 11 years. Great people... but totally lost. They think what they have is right and they will even agree with you on believing in Jesus and the "Trinity". However, their understanding of Jesus and the Trinity are not orthodox. They keep their people very busy baptiizing for the dead and church meetings. If you are busy, you really don't have time to study the word of God. Satan's great plan. It is a works based religion. They are absolutely convinced what they have is pure and right and what anybody else has is absolutely false. Southeast Idaho and Utah are the only places on earth where a Jew is considered a Gentile.

These folks have believed Satan's lie which goes right back to the Garden. Cast doubt on what God said for it really can't be believed. All major cults do this. The word of God is flawed and so we need to come up with an "unflawed" book, i.e. the Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants and Pearl of Great Price in this case. If the Book of Mormon contradicts what the Bible says than it is the Bible that is wrong, for evil people changed the word of God over the years and what we have can't be believed. It's the old lie wrapped in different clothes.

It is most difficult for them to leave their church, much like it is for Muslims to renounce their beliefs. Family and pressures are extreme to "toe the line". I knew people who went before the stake elders (not steak house, but more like a dicocese) to renounce their faith and be officially taken off the membership roles. Most had traumatic experiences.

An acquaintance of mine, Jim Spencer and his wife left the LDS church in the early 1970s. He wrote a book on it and unfortunately I lent it to a friend and haven't gotten it back. It tells his story of conversion and leaving the cult.

Absolutely great neighbors and people, but spiritually dead according to the scriptures.

God bless.

-Speedy

I have Mormon friends. So far as I know, Mormons do not wage jihad against infidels (me.) I've actually never had a Mormon argue religion in an ugly way with me either. They accept me as a Christian. I'm sorry to know that they are on the wide road to destruction. It saddens me to no end. However, then there is God. And God can open eyes and open doors that no man can shut. So while they live and breathe, there is hope for them, even for jihadists to repent and believe.

[carol1948]

It sounds like Mormonism is much like Jehovah's Witness. I think cults are very similar to each other in that:
- they have secrets made known only to the elite in the cult;
- are work based;
- have rigid requirements w/threat of disfellowship (whatever it may be called);
- demonstrate goodness as defined by man.

IMO these cults are satanic in origin. Satan masquerades as an angel of light and deceives many. Since I learned from the Republican convention that Ann Romney was raised Episcopalian, I assume she gave up her belief (which I don't know what Episcopalians believe) for his.

, Lord, the Spirit and the Bride say 'come'.

[icebear]

that was very strange...boring, but strange

[Wally]

It is indeed difficult to turn from our love of sin.


And when such turning involves seperation from family, it is traumatic. On that fact, satan and his cults have their greatest power.

Luke 14:25-35 New King James Version (NKJV)
Leaving All to Follow Christ

25 Now great multitudes went with Him. And He turned and said to them, 26 “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he cannot be My disciple. 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. 28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it— 29 lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to mock him, 30 saying, ‘This man began to build and was not able to finish’? 31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, does not sit down first and consider whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? 32 Or else, while the other is still a great way off, he sends a delegation and asks conditions of peace. 33 So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple.

34 “Salt is good; but if the salt has lost its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? 35 It is neither fit for the land nor for the dunghill, but men throw it out. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”




Luke 12:49-53 New King James Version (NKJV)

49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”



Matthew 10:34-36 NKJV

34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 36 and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’

[Xenosjeff]

Growing up in SW Idaho, I was classmates with many Mormon kids. Most were just kids but there was quite a clique of the "upper tier" Mormons. If your dad was a Bishop or a dentist/orthodontist, you were in the elite club and your smell was to be plesant for all to sniff. Most of the elite club kids were the biggest pain. They were prideful, rude and most often mean. There was no way for a non-Mormon to crack the code because all of these kids were in the same ward and knew the status off all of their peers. You couldn't just be anonymous and get away with being friendly. That would most likely get you physically abused.

As I remember one of their favorites was to spit in your face.

I would rather eat a dead dog's nose than go through grade school with them again.

As far as witnessing to Mormons goes, most have been just normal confused people. I have had a few that go off the rails when it gets to the identity of the Mormon Jesus. I would end up asking them " So even if your Jesus has a different nature, origin, identity and purpose, I am supposed to believe we are talking about the same thing?" Just like anybody facing the total destruction of their belief system they get a "fight" response and will shut off critical thinking.

I believe that this is the reason so few people go in depth about the nature of truth and the requirement to be ready to defend their faith. It is because the truth must be true in every facet of life it touches. Mormonism lives and dies based upon an individual being able to assess where their belief system intersects with reality and what a human can perceive. Does it have a consistant and verified history? Is there archeological proof? Is there sceintific consistancy with their belief system? Is their philosophy consistant with the knowable truth?

A Mormon cannot go through this exercise without having to shut off many paths of reasoning. Even before getting into the theological absolutes of Christ's Messianic credentials a Mormon will have to get over multiple hurdles just to get into the discussion.

The Bible vs Joseph Smith is a great example of how they can come up to the wall and not have a ladder.


Jeff

[Jan51]

As far as witnessing to Mormons goes, most have been just normal confused people. I have had a few that go off the rails when it gets to the identity of the Mormon Jesus. I would end up asking them " So even if your Jesus has a different nature, origin, identity and purpose, I am supposed to believe we are talking about the same thing?" Just like anybody facing the total destruction of their belief system they get a "fight" response and will shut off critical thinking.

I believe that this is the reason so few people go in depth about the nature of truth and the requirement to be ready to defend their faith. It is because the truth must be true in every facet of life it touches. Mormonism lives and dies based upon an individual being able to assess where their belief system intersects with reality and what a human can perceive. Does it have a consistant and verified history? Is there archeological proof? Is there sceintific consistancy with their belief system? Is their philosophy consistant with the knowable truth?

A Mormon cannot go through this exercise without having to shut off many paths of reasoning. Even before getting into the theological absolutes of Christ's Messianic credentials a Mormon will have to get over multiple hurdles just to get into the discussion.

The Bible vs Joseph Smith is a great example of how they can come up to the wall and not have a ladder.


Jeff

This tells us so much about the mindset of Mormons. They are people who willingly allow others to dictate to them that they must believe unreasonable things and not question. They must be willing to change any belief overnite if the president gets a new "vision." We might excuse some who maybe just aren't in it deep enough yet to know what Mormons truly believe. But those "in the know"? Like the Romneys? Yes, I will vote for him (blank look and all) because that is a vote against Obama, but having this type of mindset in the White House is truly scary. Either option is scary...