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    Default Reminded today why Grace is Eternal and not of works

    About 4 days ago I got into a heated debate with a post triber. I felt my point was clear however the poison in the carrot threw my sinful flesh into a tale spin. I remember the day I was saved but Satan made me freak out with his work tool. Someone had mentioned Lordship salvation and it wasn't sitting right. I had to go back and read every single verse about grace and not of works again and again and every verse where it's made clear Grace is Eternal. There's no conditions.

    I am still but a babe in Christ and as many know came from a salvation/works background into occult,drugs,sex,gambling etc. til I was truly saved. I believe God has been trying to get me to focus a lot on Him and my house first without rushing out to do "works in His name" as it was such a horrible part of my life. No food drives or anything but just trusting Him He will put me where He wants me. Listen to His voice. So others would say I bare no fruit but they don't know the Works He does in me in areas I REALLY struggled with like porno (I stopped watching without effort) and cursing violent behavior dramatically decreased.

    Today I was almost back to fully normal with salvation by faith alone when a delivery driver cut me off on a heavily rainy day, stopped an inch in front of my car and had a bad episode of road rage. I had such a fast amount of thoughts at first I can't recall everything that went through my head and I realized why not trusting fully on Jesus is a bad idea.

    I don't remember everything I thought. If I had to repent of every single thing I did what if I missed something?? I'm not saying never repent but what if that was part of salvation? Can anyone seriously say they remember EVERYTHING they did wrong??

    The Sermon on the Mount also reminds us how vastly different our standards of an incident are as opposed to God's. What if I repented and didn't grasp the extremes of what I had done?

    So now I don't remember all of what thoughts ran through my head and I don't know how exactly God views it other than it's sin and He hates sin.

    I should have been judged along time ago. I never deserved the kingdom of God. So justice means I am to go to the eternal Lake of Fire.

    But God is LOVE! He became flesh and suffered and paid the price for the worlds sins. He asks but one thing. Confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and Savior. He sends the Holy Spirit to help develop you even though it would be the equivalent of buying a money pit home on the lip of a volcano.

    If God lives outside of our concepts of time then He already knew everything I was going to do after my salvation moment. And yet, my love for Jesus washed me anew in His Righteousness.

    I was reminded again today how thorough His Work on the cross was and why Jesus rightfully proclaimed "It is finished". The right moment in life came today and He used it as a learning experience to remind me how great He is!!

    Matthew 22:36-40

    36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

    37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
    God's love for you is the greatest love story ever!!
    Romans 5:8-9 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
    Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from Godís wrath through him!

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    Larry , thanks for sharing , this is a blessing to me.
    John 10:27-30 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Fatherís hand. I and the Father are one.

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    You're welcome Chaser. You might like a story I wrote for my youngest granddaughter, "Do You See the Nails?" It is on this site at the following link.

    http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?1925...evised-Version

    Scroll down to post #7 for a revised better version.

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    May I pass this on or is it for RR only ?
    John 10:27-30 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Fatherís hand. I and the Father are one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaser View Post
    May I pass this on or is it for RR only ?
    Chaser, yes, you may share the story with others! I have posted the story on several Christian websites & have had only 2 negative comments from readers since it was written. That story parallels my testimony.

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    To believe in Jesus is not only to believe that Jesus is the Son of God but is to also trust exclusively in Him for salvation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mailmandan View Post
    To believe in Jesus is not only to believe that Jesus is the Son of God but is to also trust exclusively in Him for salvation.
    Exactly the point made in the article.

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    I just read through this thread again, and Yes! Reading and studying Scripture is the key.

    My ah-ha moment came as I was praying, fasting, and reading Revelation. My need was to understand how to love God. I asked Him, how can I love a God I can't see, hear (with my earthly ears), hug, etc? He showered me with His love, and instantly set me free from besetting sin, and poured out His spirit on me. Like ldonjohn, I finally trusted in Jesus, and not in a prayer!

    I know of two others in my church who also have had ah-ha moments. Both of them came through reading and studying scripture. One was in Isaiah chapter 6 when it all made sense. The other was reading the Bible, the New Living Translation, from cover to cover and their eyes were opened once they were reading in the New Testament.

    I'm sure there are others who have had this ah-ha moment, but I am worried that there are not. So many things in this world distract and deceive. Which makes me, like another poster said, cry tears when looking at the cross for those who are not saved. And I am humbled and amazed that He called me!!, I am not worthy.

    Thank you Lord God, for this website and this thread!
    "Therefore my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable,
    always abounding in the work of the Lord;
    knowing that in the Lord your labor is not in vain."

    1 Corinthians 15:58 (ESV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    I just read through this thread again, and Yes! Reading and studying Scripture is the key.

    My ah-ha moment came as I was praying, fasting, and reading Revelation. My need was to understand how to love God. I asked Him, how can I love a God I can't see, hear (with my earthly ears), hug, etc? He showered me with His love, and instantly set me free from besetting sin, and poured out His spirit on me. Like ldonjohn, I finally trusted in Jesus, and not in a prayer!

    I know of two others in my church who also have had ah-ha moments. Both of them came through reading and studying scripture. One was in Isaiah chapter 6 when it all made sense. The other was reading the Bible, the New Living Translation, from cover to cover and their eyes were opened once they were reading in the New Testament.

    I'm sure there are others who have had this ah-ha moment, but I am worried that there are not. So many things in this world distract and deceive. Which makes me, like another poster said, cry tears when looking at the cross for those who are not saved. And I am humbled and amazed that He called me!!, I am not worthy.

    Thank you Lord God, for this website and this thread!
    My fear is that some people hear a preacher say that if they will just say a prayer they will be saved, and the object of their faith is their prayer, not the Gospel message of the cross.

    ldonjohn

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldonjohn View Post
    Exactly the point made in the article.

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    Amen! Many people merely believe in Jesus in their head, but not in their heart. They may even believe that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" but unfortunately, many people are not trusting exclusively in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation, which is what it means to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mailmandan View Post
    Amen! Many people merely believe in Jesus in their head, but not in their heart. They may even believe that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" but unfortunately, many people are not trusting exclusively in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation, which is what it means to believe the gospel (Romans 1:16).
    Another truth I hope others will see from the article is that the Holy Spirit must be the influence that draws a person to Christ. My first "profession of faith" was influenced by a preacher, and that was not real. The genuine faith came as the direct result of the Holy Spirit working in me to convince me of my need of a savior, and convincing me of the finished work of Christ on the cross to meet my need.

    ldonjohn

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldonjohn View Post
    Another truth I hope others will see from the article is that the Holy Spirit must be the influence that draws a person to Christ. My first "profession of faith" was influenced by a preacher, and that was not real. The genuine faith came as the direct result of the Holy Spirit working in me to convince me of my need of a savior, and convincing me of the finished work of Christ on the cross to meet my need.

    ldonjohn
    I've shared "Do You See the Nails?" with 5 people. I cry every single time I read the last time and Itzy says I can't see them anymore. Beautiful story. Thank you for blessing us with this and letting us share it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlessdMomUv5 View Post
    I've shared "Do You See the Nails?" with 5 people. I cry every single time I read the last time and Itzy says I can't see them anymore. Beautiful story. Thank you for blessing us with this and letting us share it.
    BlessedMom, you're welcome. I went back and read that paragraph, and well, I'm a 73 year old retired math teacher who seldom becomes emotional, but I was wiping tears from my eyes as I read that paragraph.

    Whenever I think of the story I am reminded of the hymn, "It Is Well with My Soul." It's my favorite, especially the 3rd verse:

    My sin the O bliss of this glorious thought
    My sin not in part, but the whole
    Is nailed to the cross, and I bare it no more
    Praise the Lord, praise the Lord O my soul


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    Quote Originally Posted by ldonjohn View Post
    My fear is that some people hear a preacher say that if they will just say a prayer they will be saved, and the object of their faith is their prayer, not the Gospel message of the cross.

    ldonjohn
    You are right to have that fear. That is what I used to think, that it was a prayer that saved me, about what "I" did. Also it is what so many churches either outright teach or insinuate. At the church I used to attend, done every week (not just for inviting new Christians to receive Christ but for the entire congregation). Everyone, every week.... come forward, say the prayer again, get "resaved" (as this also was a church that believes one can lose salvation).

    Most people have it SO SO wrong. And it's not that it's all their fault either. It's what the church is teaching, what most people have been taught in how to find Jesus, all wrong. The Bible isn't something that we open up simply to hear a sermon from, or to learn a lesson. The Bible IS Jesus, and we should treat it as such, and very seriously. It's why adding to it or taking away from it is a horrible sin; as that would be like trying to add to or take away from Jesus Himself. I feel horrible for people such as my grandmother (has passed away now), people such as my mother... and anyone who believes they can lose their salvation. What a horrible way to live.

    Firefly, I didn't quote you but you are so right, what you posted. Ah ha moments, or whatever one wants to call them, when the Holy Spirit truly touches us, blesses us, imparts His Understanding on us... those moments come from reading His Word and from prayer. They come from sincerely and steadfastly seeking Him, needing Him, wanting more of Him. When the Bible speaks to us about Jesus granting us all the things that we want, verses like these that apostate churches use to promise to people in the congregation that Jesus will make them rich, give them whatever they want, etc....

    https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org...Shall-Receive/

    NO!!! It is not like that. These verses are not so we can obtain all sorts of worldly blessings, and not what God nor His Son was talking about at all when He said them. All of these apostate churches and preachers twisting His Word so, they will one day be punished for deceiving so many, for leading so many down the wrong path. What the Bible is talking about, spiritual wants and needs, true riches that can only come from God such as blessings of assurance, peace, discernment, understanding Him better, and of "ah ha!" realizations that when He knocks us over the head with them we just want to cry tears of joy, lay at His Feet, and Praise Him. The Bible is NOT talking about "whatsoever ye desire... gold, money, nice cars, mansion, luxury, fame, beauty, power, etc..." And, just to say, anyone who is praying to God for those reasons should seriously check themselves, and their relationship with Christ... because if those are the things we care about... just that there is something wrong with us spiritually and we instead should start praying for healing of our spirit.

    It's so easy when looking back upon it all and it is how I was saved, not by saying a prayer in church but at home, alone, reading the Bible. I had been reading for about 2 months when it happened. And then when it did happen it wasn't just a moment in time, wasn't like "oh I was saved on Oct. 23, 2010 at 10 pm". Wasn't at all like that but like the beginning of a new life for me. I was not changed all at once, was just the same as I was a minute before physically. Spiritually though, I was brand new, as it was the moment that I surrendered ALL. It marked the beginning of a process, the process of learning about Him, wanting and needing to be closer and closer to Him, wanting and needing to constantly seek Him (not money or riches); and doing things His Way.

    Salvation, it isn't just a one time moment in a person's life. To explain that further: I used to go to church, would be temporarily touched or moved, would say the prayer. I *thought* that I *wanted* Jesus, that I *trusted* in Him, but I didn't. I'd walk out the church doors, immediately forget everything, and go about my life NOT pursuing Him, not reading the Bible, and what I did do... a lot of sinning.

    Whenever something bad happened, sure, I would call on Jesus. Most of the bad things that were happening though, were because I didn't truly know Jesus, because I didn't put my trust in Him and didn't leave it all to Him to do the work, to do things His Way. Instead, I tried to have things my way and called for help from Him only when my own sin brought about it's natural and catestrophic consequences. Then I called upon Him or would pray and crack open my Bible for 5 minutes, and when Jesus had solved things for me would go straight back to "my way".

    I wasn't treating Jesus like my Savior and Lord, but was treating Him more like my servant! Using Him, whenever I felt I needed Him, and casting Him aside the rest of the time because it is not possible to truly *know* Him and to also run about doing and caring for all the things that are of this world. I wanted this world, and I wanted Him too.

    Even the demons believe. But guess what? The demons do NOT serve God. All people and especially today's brick and mortar church (IMO so apostate and deceiving so many) must understand that salvation CAN NOT be done "our" way. It can only be done His Way. For all who are not doing it His Way, including the brick and mortar church, they will hear when they stand before Him: "Depart from me. For I never knew you."

    It's about more than just believing. It is about giving yourself heart and soul to Him. There is no sufficient way to explain it, none that I've ever seen anyway, that comes closer than to when I read the original post in this thread. And so for those still searching... search! If doing so sincerely, you WILL find. And for those who do know Him already keep searching, gain more knowledge, continue growing in Him! Open up one's Bible, prayerfully read, seek, and if doing that, God will give one what it is they are seeking, He will give them His Wisdom, His Discernment, His Understanding, His Security in comforting and assuring of one's salvation. He will do it all, and then some; all for us, answer our each and every prayer and desire! And as for us, we will be "desiring" the right things.

    We have to be willing to let go of *us* completely, and to embrace *HIM* completely. Being born again is indeed dying, is the death of your own physical self, your very sinful and corrupted human blood. Then there is re-birth, we are re-born, with the perfect blood of Jesus covering us (think of how when a baby is born covered in mother's blood). His perfect and sinless blood, that covers our corrupted and sinful blood.

    This is why we use the term "born again", for we truly are! God created Adam and Eve perfect human beings, just as Jesus became a perfect human being in order to save us whom God loves so much. It amazes me, that He loves us that much!

    They fell though, Adam and Eve, corrupted themselves and all of humanity. And so God sent His Son Jesus to redeem and reconcile us, His perfect creation, back to Him. That is why, until we get to Heaven and are again made perfect with new and God given glorified and sinless body (the one He originally intended for us all to have), it can only be Jesus blood that covers us, only Jesus who redeems us to God. Not Muhammad, not Buddha, not Hinduism, not ourselves, not any other name. It CAN NOT happen any other way.

    Only Jesus.

    Only God's way.

    He is Awesome!

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    We have to be willing to let go of *us* completely, and to embrace *HIM* completely. Being born again is indeed dying, is the death of your own physical self, your very sinful and corrupted human blood. Then there is re-birth, we are re-born, with the perfect blood of Jesus covering us (think of how when a baby is born covered in mother's blood). His perfect and sinless blood, that covers our corrupted and sinful blood.

    Being born-again is a complete transfer of trust from oneself to the finished work of Jesus on the cross for forgiveness of sin and a new life in Him. It is a Holy Spirit "turn on the light" and "I got it" moment.

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