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    Quote Originally Posted by gooseberry View Post
    I'm a Target shopper and will probably remain a Target shopper. Unfortunately, my two older girls recently reach an age where I sometimes feel comfortable letting them go in the bathroom alone while I watch the door and stay outside with my young son who's not yet potty trained. I often check before to make sure no one is in there, tell them to go together and stay together and leave or scream if adults talk to them. It's common sense to me long before this Target issue that pedophiles could always hide out in waiting in public restrooms. Do we really think a sign with a skirted stick figure on the door could act as security? It's always been a threat. This new rule change might be ridiculous, but it doesn't make anything less safe, if you ask me.

    At Target, we've *always* used the family restroom by the pharmacy. I think most modern stores have family restrooms. Malls do, IKEA, newer Walmarts. So there's that, always look for a family restroom when possible, a good one room bathroom where no one else can get into until you're done.

    Also, just to throw this out there, we do need to be careful with these issues honestly. I have NO affection or loyalties to the LGBT group. HOWEVER, 1 in 1500 babies are born inter-sex, that means having ambiguous genitalia. (They were once called hermaphrodites.) It's a birth defect, not a sexual identity perversion. What a confusing life these poor folks must live! Especially considering the modern confusion and acceptance of "whatever goes" sexually. Unfortunately, often doctors (especially experimental ones) will encourage parents to "choose" a gender to go with and do surgery on these poor children while they are infants to make their genitalia look one way or the other. This is a bad idea...what if you guess or pick the wrong one? That is to say: not all people who LOOK transgender are gay or transexual. Sometimes they are people born with legitimate birth defects. And 1 in 1500 is more common than people might realize. This is another aspect of confusion with this Target issue, if you ask me.

    I think it's best to use caution, seek out family restrooms when possible, and to give suspiciously dressed/gendered people the benefit of the doubt. You never know.
    This number seems wrong to me because I thought it was a very rare birth defect. 1 in 1500 doesn't seem so rare. I did a little research, and although I didn't find this stat, I did find this:

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    The number of intersex people depends on the definition used. The Intersex Society of North America suggested that 1 percent of live births exhibit some degree of sexual ambiguity. Between 0.1% and 0.2% of live births are ambiguous enough to become the subject of specialist medical attention, including surgery to assign them to a given sex category (i.e., male or female). According to Blackless, Fausto-Sterling et al., on the other hand, 1.7 percent of human births are intersex.
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    Default Target to invest $20 million in single stall bathrooms

    Target is investing $20 million in building single stall bathrooms in stores, after an outcry from some customers about its policy of allowing transgender customers and staff to use the bathrooms that identifies with their gender identity.

    The retailer faced considerable backlash in April when they said they "welcome transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."

    The Associated Press quoted Target Chief Financial Officer Cathay Smith saying that the backlash has not caused "material" impact on sales but some customers are still upset.

    "We are listening to our guests," Smith told The Associated Press.

    News of the investment in single stall bathrooms came as Target Corp. cut its profit forecast and a key sales outlook Wednesday.

    The Minneapolis-based discounter's second-quarter net income fell nearly 10 percent, though that was better than what most had expected. Sales at stores open at least a year fell 1.1 percent, reversing seven straight quarters of gains.

    http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/ta...sgender-policy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarvan View Post
    Target is investing $20 million in building single stall bathrooms in stores, after an outcry from some customers about its policy of allowing transgender customers and staff to use the bathrooms that identifies with their gender identity.

    The retailer faced considerable backlash in April when they said they "welcome transgender team members and guests to use the restroom or fitting room facility that corresponds with their gender identity."
    Guess they didn't bother to learn from JC Penney's experience on pandering? Their stock crashed today over 5% I believe, but they won't blame it on sales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarvan View Post
    Target is investing $20 million in building single stall bathrooms in stores, after an outcry from some customers about its policy of allowing transgender customers and staff to use the bathrooms that identifies with their gender identity.

    The Associated Press quoted Target Chief Financial Officer Cathay Smith saying that the backlash has not caused "material" impact on sales but some customers are still upset.

    "We are listening to our guests," Smith told The Associated Press.

    News of the investment in single stall bathrooms came as Target Corp. cut its profit forecast and a key sales outlook Wednesday.

    The Minneapolis-based discounter's second-quarter net income fell nearly 10 percent, though that was better than what most had expected. Sales at stores open at least a year fell 1.1 percent, reversing seven straight quarters of gains.

    http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/ta...sgender-policy
    Hmmm...some customers are still upset??? Sounds like it, from their profit forecast.
    I'm one of those customers. I haven't been in a Target since they announced this craziness, and will not return even if they do add single stall bathrooms.
    It's their pride in being 'politically correct' that did it for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Momma D View Post
    Hmmm...some customers are still upset??? Sounds like it, from their profit forecast.
    I'm one of those customers. I haven't been in a Target since they announced this craziness, and will not return even if they do add single stall bathrooms.
    It's their pride in being 'politically correct' that did it for me...
    Yes, me too. I have not been to any. And with back to school, well, I'd rather go elsewhere. There is nothing that Target has that I can't find elsewhere.

    BTW, I think I missed something on JC Penney... Are we boycotting them too? Not sure what 'pandering' means...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    BTW, I think I missed something on JC Penney... Are we boycotting them too? Not sure what 'pandering' means...
    If you go back to 2012 and do a quick search engine look up of JC Penney's and their "catering" to certain groups, you'll see what I mean.
    Ellen DeGeneres did a huge campaign for them. The backlash was ferocious and their store sales tanked big time. They are barely hanging on and I bet JC Penney is spinning in his grave.
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    I refuse to shop at Target because of their liberal lunacy, even if they build one stall bathrooms.

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    Default ICYMI: The Boycott of Target Has Had a Huge Impact

    The boycott cost the company millions in lost sales and added expenses. Shopper traffic and same-store sales started sliding for the first time in years after the blog post, and the company was forced to spend $20 million installing single-occupancy bathrooms in all its stores to give critics of the policy more privacy. […]Sales fell nearly 6% in the three quarters after the post compared with the same period last year, and same-store sales have dropped every quarter since the post.

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    The boycott has had a much different effect on Target than the one Chick-fil-A experienced in 2012 over CFA President and CEO Dan Cathy’s remarks supporting tradition marriage, and the revelation that some of the company’s charitable donations went to groups that oppose same-sex marriage.

    Source article: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...mpact-n2311355
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tall Timbers View Post
    The boycott cost the company millions in lost sales and added expenses. Shopper traffic and same-store sales started sliding for the first time in years after the blog post, and the company was forced to spend $20 million installing single-occupancy bathrooms in all its stores to give critics of the policy more privacy. […]Sales fell nearly 6% in the three quarters after the post compared with the same period last year, and same-store sales have dropped every quarter since the post.

    ....

    The boycott has had a much different effect on Target than the one Chick-fil-A experienced in 2012 over CFA President and CEO Dan Cathy’s remarks supporting tradition marriage, and the revelation that some of the company’s charitable donations went to groups that oppose same-sex marriage.

    Source article: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahba...mpact-n2311355
    Glad to see this, thanks for posting TT!

    I am still astounded at some of my friends/relatives/etc who are living so blatantly Christian lives (thank you facebook), but don't think it worth boycotting Target. I've tried to talk to them, but it is the same old, 'it isn't bothering me' type attitude. Like, I can take care of myself, I'm not scared, it isn't that big of a deal, and then they spin off and start sounding like the talking heads on TV, excuses. I can't explain to them that if they had a small child, and something happened in a Target bathroom, they would think differently and want their friends to also change their minds. I guess this is how Hitler gassed so many, there were many people who couldn't be bothered with changing their lifestyle or risking their status quo for other human lives.

    So, since I am pretty much alone in my boycott in my neck of the woods, it is reassuring that it is making a difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Glad to see this, thanks for posting TT!

    I am still astounded at some of my friends/relatives/etc who are living so blatantly Christian lives (thank you facebook), but don't think it worth boycotting Target. I've tried to talk to them, but it is the same old, 'it isn't bothering me' type attitude. Like, I can take care of myself, I'm not scared, it isn't that big of a deal, and then they spin off and start sounding like the talking heads on TV, excuses. I can't explain to them that if they had a small child, and something happened in a Target bathroom, they would think differently and want their friends to also change their minds. I guess this is how Hitler gassed so many, there were many people who couldn't be bothered with changing their lifestyle or risking their status quo for other human lives.

    So, since I am pretty much alone in my boycott in my neck of the woods, it is reassuring that it is making a difference.
    With Hitler, he took his enforcement policies to an extreme level. It was easy back then to accuse and convict people of some sort of anti-Nazi crime. You would be picked up, killed, and ashes sent back to your house with the family having been unaware of the situation.

    Boycotts always make a difference for sure. I do run into more atheists these days who are retracting they're original views on gay rights because of how they are being liberally applied to transgender and they won't support the crazy trans problems coming forward. The media is doing a good job of inflating the support for them numbers but they are all hyperbole. Most people find it offensive to bend over for under 1% of the USA population.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/01/h...tion.html?_r=0

    As the national debate escalates over accommodations for transgender people, the new figure, though still just 0.6 percent of the adult population, is likely to raise questions about the sufficiency of services to support a population that may be larger than many policy makers assumed.
    Seriously. The NYTimes got really excited that trans went up from .3% to .6%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Florian9 View Post
    If you go back to 2012 and do a quick search engine look up of JC Penney's and their "catering" to certain groups, you'll see what I mean.
    Ellen DeGeneres did a huge campaign for them. The backlash was ferocious and their store sales tanked big time. They are barely hanging on and I bet JC Penney is spinning in his grave.
    Oh, thanks Florian9! I skimmed this too quickly before without replying.

    I have been a customer of JCPenney for years, and I seem to remember years ago the ads got really raunchy. Disgusting. For a while I didn't shop there (probably went to Target instead), just because of the offense. And I don't know why, but that ellen person makes my stomach flip. I literally am queasy anytime I see her. I try to pray for her when I feel that, but it is difficult. If she was in the ads I probably sent them directly to the round file and forgot them. Bed Bath and Beyond is now showing her on some of their things, but I didn't used to go in there very often, so didn't realize that until recently.

    Its getting more and more difficult to be a savvy consumer.
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