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    Quote Originally Posted by Koalie View Post
    I have a question concerning Revelation 12; the Woman, the Child, and the dragon.

    Scott Clark, who teaches this Revelation 12 sign, says that the child who is born is the church. I thought the child born was Jesus - Who would rule the nations with an iron scepter. He says it's the Church because we are the body of Christ.

    I'd love to hear other's comments...
    Jaco connects the "child" as Jesus as well. He uses Genesis 3:15 as a connection.

    And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

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    I've watched a few of Scott's videos with a grain of salt. I find much of what he says very interesting though.
    In one video he says the child is the church and then in another he seems to clarify a bit by saying the child is Jesus, but we (the church) are the Body of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koalie View Post
    I have a question concerning Revelation 12; the Woman, the Child, and the dragon.

    Scott Clark, who teaches this Revelation 12 sign, says that the child who is born is the church. I thought the child born was Jesus - Who would rule the nations with an iron scepter. He says it's the Church because we are the body of Christ.

    I'd love to hear other's comments...
    I believe in the psalms it talks about the ruling of the nations and it is talking about Jesus. The church ruling with an iron scepter????? Never heard this before.

    Psalm 2:8-9 "Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel."

    I have a video of a talk given by Dr. David Reagan on Psalm 2 that he did for the Branson WorldView Weekend Family Reunion (Brannon Howse) in 2009 entitled "The King is Coming". It is an awesome lecture on Psalm 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunshine View Post
    I believe in the psalms it talks about the ruling of the nations and it is talking about Jesus. The church ruling with an iron scepter????? Never heard this before.

    Psalm 2:8-9 "Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel."

    I have a video of a talk given by Dr. David Reagan on Psalm 2 that he did for the Branson WorldView Weekend Family Reunion (Brannon Howse) in 2009 entitled "The King is Coming". It is an awesome lecture on Psalm 2.
    I think that as the body of Christ we are out of here prior to Revelation. If Israel is the focal point again then they are looking for their TRUE Messiah. So assuming because the child is Jesus therefore we are the body of Christ might be like putting the proverbial square through the circle hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koalie View Post
    I've watched a few of Scott's videos with a grain of salt. I find much of what he says very interesting though.
    In one video he says the child is the church and then in another he seems to clarify a bit by saying the child is Jesus, but we (the church) are the Body of Christ.
    I was a bit confused as well until I saw that YouTube does not order his playlist properly.
    You need to play them in order, manually by hand, by looking at when he uploaded them.

    So,
    Years ago he assumed the child was Yeshua.
    Later he changed his thoughts (still subject to change) to saying the child is the Church because Yeshua had already been born and fulfilled the first 5 Feasts.

    He fully states that he is not a prophet and continues to study what this sign means to him. He just shares his thoughts... I agree with this approach! Grain of salt.

    My personal opinion is:
    1. This sign in the sky is exactly that... a sign... a real one!
    2. The child could be both Christ (the head who rules) and the Church (the body)... Christ resides within us, we are with him. The marriage makes us as one but only He rules!

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    Folks, please remember the rulz -

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    Q. I believe you are correct in that when a certain number is saved the rapture will take place. A lot of events have taken place on feast days. Why couldn’t the rapture happen on a feast day? God would know when the number would come up and make sure it would happen on a feast day.

    A. You’re right. God already knows the date on which the rapture will happen. But the Jewish feast days have both commemorative and prophetic significance to Israel. Since Israel was never promised a rapture, having it occur on a feast day wouldn’t mean anything because it carries no theological importance for them. Their origin, their relationship with God, and their eternal destiny are all different from those of the Church. This is simply an attempt by some Christians to predict the date of the rapture in advance.


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    I'm not trying to predict anything.

    I just see a gigantic, absolutely unique "sign" in the sky that interestingly also happens to be inside the requirements that derive how the Hebrew new year starts. This sign may have never occurred in the past, and may never occur again in the future [based on our solar system's movement, and rotation in the arm of the galaxy, and the stars themselves that move into and out of position over time as well].

    This may be the only calendar specific celestial event to ever come so close to the description given in Rev 12.

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    Rev. 12 And The Man Child

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    Q. I have a question on Revelation 12: 1-6. I know the woman is Israel. But, I can’t believe this is talking about the birth of Christ, When we are in the things that are future. Can you shed some light on this scripture?


    A. Rev. 12:1-6 is one of the places in the Book of Revelation where John takes a step back to offer us some perspective. In this case it’s a sweeping overview that actually begins with Joseph’s dream from Genesis 37:9 and ends with the believing remnant of Israel being supernaturally protected during the Great Tribulation. The woman represents Israel and the dragon is Satan. The man child in verse 5 can only be the Messiah; first he is born out of Israel, and second He’ll rule the nations with an iron scepter. This is a quote from Psalm 2:9 where it refers to the Messianic King.



    Quote Originally Posted by USCG_Vet View Post
    I'm not trying to predict anything.

    I just see a gigantic, absolutely unique "sign" in the sky that interestingly also happens to be inside the requirements that derive how the Hebrew new year starts. This sign may have never occurred in the past, and may never occur again in the future [based on our solar system's movement, and rotation in the arm of the galaxy, and the stars themselves that move into and out of position over time as well].

    This may be the only calendar specific celestial event to ever come so close to the description given in Rev 12.
    The reminder was for all posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williambeason1842 View Post


    Israel will spent 9 months burrying the dead, and burn the weapons for fuel for 7 years. This will end at the mid point of the tribulation.


    Start of tribulation. Last for 7 years, and 3 1/2 years later Israel has to flea to the wilderness in order to be protected by GOD. 7 Years from the start of the Gog Magog war.
    (The quote messed up- sorry)

    I don't believe that EZ 38/39 has to happen 3 1/2 years before the Trib starts. Ez 39:9-10 says: 9 “‘Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign Lord.

    It does not say "My people", it says "those who live in the towns". This could be other people who continue to live in Israel after the Jews flee to Petra at the mid-point of the Trib, and so Ez 38 could happen right before or even right after the Trib starts.

    I know this is debated. Mark Hitchcock takes this view. I'm not dogmatic on the timing of Ez 38- I think either scenario could happen.

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    First alignment event CONFIRMED!
    Identical celestial even occurs with Jupiter outside of Virgo just entering the womb on
    October 28th 3916 BC ! [Note software uses a zero year so I added one to make up for it]

    Jupiter retrogrades twice inside Virgo and exits between the legs on
    August 5th 3915 BC

    281 days.
    Exactly 40 week gestation period.
    BC Calculator: http://www.msevans.com/epilepsy/daysbetweendates.htm

    On August 5th, 3915 BC the moon is showing 10.9% reflection of the sun so it should just be visible to the naked eye starting the new year.
    This may have been the Biblical first day of creation!


    This would mean from new years day 3915 BC to new years day 2017 AD would equate to EXACTLY 6017 Biblical years (2166334 days / 360 Biblical days year).

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    I've checked into the future to see if the event re-occurs between 8000 - 8050 AD. No notable event.

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    I'm not finding the sign in -3914, -3915, or -3916. It comes close, but it's not quite right. The one I think you are talking about has too many "stars" in her "crown". Unless you don't count Uranus because it can't be seen with the naked eye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wishing4 View Post
    I'm not finding the sign in -3914, -3915, or -3916. It comes close, but it's not quite right. The one I think you are talking about has too many "stars" in her "crown". Unless you don't count Uranus because it can't be seen with the naked eye?
    Wow, I didn't even notice Uranus there. Good call!
    It is quite close in structure and movement to the 2017 event.
    I also agree, Uranus would not be visible to the naked eye.

    Not sure what to say about the BC event... It's still quite interesting in the timing from the 2017 event.

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    check out 9/29/1897

    The planets are not lined up as nicely as 2017 and the moon isn't as close to her feet. In 2017 she's giving birth to Jupiter, the King Planet and in 1897, it's Mars (which did not spend much time in the "womb" at all).

    What I find interesting is that in Aug of 1897 the first Zionist Congress met.

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    One of the things Jaco challenges as far as if this sign has any significant meaning is to watch for upticks in Israel activity since the "conception" started.

    1) sever fire
    2) terrorist attacks
    3) multiple countries are reporting strong Jewish leave for Israel
    4) UN dividing the land
    5) Israel just struck Damascus.

    We aren't even 2 months in
    Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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    Was researching harpazo (rapture/caught up).

    Found this verse is one of the 6 that uses harpazo

    Rev 12.5

    And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BorrowedTime View Post
    Was researching harpazo (rapture/caught up).

    Found this verse is one of the 6 that uses harpazo

    Rev 12.5

    And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
    IMO, I think this could be possibly pertaining to the Church which is His body, as long as someone is not trying to use this as evidence of a mid-trib rapture because of its proximity to references of Israel's mid-trib fleeing (but more like evidence as to why the 24 elders are present up there in Rev 4-5, back before the first seal is opened, Rev 4:4,10-11, Rev 5:9-10). What are you thinking?

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    May I interject something here because I've been fascinated with God's astronomy and studying this Revelation 12 in the sky sign. I believe that we are sticking to the "no man knows the day or the hour" for the wrong event to our, the Church's, detriment. I believe Matthew 24 is talking to the Jews about the Tribulation time and that no man knows the hour Jesus will return because "unless those days are shortened..." (Matt 24:22).

    However, Jesus tells us to discern the signs of the times and Genesis does say that the stars were put there for signs -- and with the sign in the sky of Revelation 12, along with the future fulfillment of feast days and all that's going on in the world now, I would really like to see us Christians have an open mind about what He is trying to tell us and not be so rigid with this "no man knows the day or the hour" regarding the Rapture.

    Hope I said all that without date setting!!!

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    I vaguely know of the Revelation 12/star alignment, and I skimmed over these posts, so I'm not completely informed about what's being said here.

    However, I will say: I am totally fine if Jesus commences the Wedding Feast autumn of this year. I'd love it in fact.

    Praise God for His awesome starry host!!!

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