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    2 Timothy 2:10-14King James Version (KJV)

    10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

    12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

    13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

    14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.


    I would like some help in properly exegeting this passage of Scripture and a good commentary on it. I seem to be struggling with how can a true born again believer deny Jesus Christ?

    Also, I'd like to share this sermon I listened to and hear back from anyone who has a comment on it?

    If we are true born again believers, not only, how can we deny Him, how could we not reign with Him one day?

    https://www.truthforlife.org/broadca...worthy-saying/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger View Post
    2 Timothy 2:10-14King James Version (KJV)

    10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

    11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:

    12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

    13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

    14 Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.


    I would like some help in properly exegeting this passage of Scripture and a good commentary on it. I seem to be struggling with how can a true born again believer deny Jesus Christ?

    Also, I'd like to share this sermon I listened to and hear back from anyone who has a comment on it?

    If we are true born again believers, not only, how can we deny Him, how could we not reign with Him one day?

    https://www.truthforlife.org/broadca...worthy-saying/
    Put simply, no genuine born again believer would ever deny Jesus!

    So these passages are describing the folks who claim to be born again or simply a 'Christian' but are not really.

    Remember the revelation verse, sorry I don't have the exact verse number here right now where Jesus says depart from me you doers of iniquity when they cited their 'works' i.e. we preached in your name, drove out spirits in your name etc., but we actually didn't call upon your name to wash our own sins in your blood.

    It's easy for any man or woman to declare their Christianity and yet they don't understand what it actually is to be a born again one, so these verses you have raised are a warning to these 'luke warms'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedeemed View Post
    Put simply, no genuine born again believer would ever deny Jesus!

    So these passages are describing the folks who claim to be born again or simply a 'Christian' but are not really.

    Remember the revelation verse, sorry I don't have the exact verse number here right now where Jesus says depart from me you doers of iniquity when they cited their 'works' i.e. we preached in your name, drove out spirits in your name etc., but we actually didn't call upon your name to wash our own sins in your blood.

    It's easy for any man or woman to declare their Christianity and yet they don't understand what it actually is to be a born again one, so these verses you have raised are a warning to these 'luke warms'.
    The verse you speak of is in Matthew 7:18-24

    “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:”

    Lukewarm warnings to me are those who were saved and as much as I hate saying something that sounds Work related just don't bare fruit. They've believed on Christ and they have some of the fruits but they don't read the Bible or spread Gospel or even pray to Him. It's something I saw in my old church. Pastors constantly encouraged church services saying God understands you're busy and don't have time to pray to Him and you come to church once a week to set time aside to just focus on God and to pray since we forget to pray during the week.

    As far as how can true believers deny Christ I say they never belonged in the first place. 1 John 2:19
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    Quote Originally Posted by BorrowedTime View Post
    The verse you speak of is in Matthew 7:18-24

    “A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:”

    Lukewarm warnings to me are those who were saved and as much as I hate saying something that sounds Work related just don't bare fruit. They've believed on Christ and they have some of the fruits but they don't read the Bible or spread Gospel or even pray to Him. It's something I saw in my old church. Pastors constantly encouraged church services saying God understands you're busy and don't have time to pray to Him and you come to church once a week to set time aside to just focus on God and to pray since we forget to pray during the week.

    As far as how can true believers deny Christ I say they never belonged in the first place. 1 John 2:19
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    Thanks re the verses from Mathew, I got a bit confused as I have been reading Revelation last night, its on my mind!

    And yes I agree and have said above in my OP that anyone who claims to be Christian and saved and then can deny Christ, was never saved in the first place. I think that was the main question from Roger's initial post.

    As a saved person myself, I can't ever imagine denying my Lord God and Saviour. It's akin to learning that 1 + 1 = 2 for the first time, once you learn that, you can't deny that its true.

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    This may also help, it is from the Berean Bible with commentary;
    http://www.theberean.org/index.cfm/f...hy-2-10-13.htm


    2 Timothy 2:10-13




    (10) Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory. (11) This is a faithful saying:
    For if we died with Him,We shall also live with Him.
    (12) If we endure, We shall also reign with Him.
    If we deny Him,He also will deny us.
    (13) If we are faithless, He remains faithful;
    He cannot deny Himself.
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    The apostle gives this warning directly to God's children. Despite how we may personally relate to Him in how we live, God cannot deny what He truly is. We may be highly variable in our attitude and conduct because we are lackadaisical and tolerate human nature having its way. We may yield to this world's influence on us and backslide into the same careless way of life that dominated us before God called us into His church (Ephesians 2:3). Yet, our God and Savior is constant and faithful to what He is. His character and purpose never change. God loves, and because He does, He also judges. Does not Proverbs 13:24 instruct, "He who spares his rod hates his son, but he who loves him disciplines him promptly?" Our Savior will not overlook this need in us.

    Sometimes His discipline can be very stressful (Hebrews 12:11), but that is the cost of following Him where He leads. He will act as He truly is regardless of what we personally think or fail to think or whether we allow Him to be closely or only marginally involved in how we live our lives.

    This world's nominal Christianity has so wrongly overemphasized God's grace that it makes salvation assured if we will only accept Jesus Christ. However, it does so without equally teaching that we must meet the responsibilities that God also clearly reveals. We must faithfully walk to the Promised Land. To keep our part of the New Covenant, we must live His way of life to be prepared to live in the Promised Land.

    — John W. Ritenbaugh
    John 10:27-30 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRedeemed View Post
    Thanks re the verses from Mathew, I got a bit confused as I have been reading Revelation last night, its on my mind!

    And yes I agree and have said above in my OP that anyone who claims to be Christian and saved and then can deny Christ, was never saved in the first place. I think that was the main question from Roger's initial post.

    As a saved person myself, I can't ever imagine denying my Lord God and Saviour. It's akin to learning that 1 + 1 = 2 for the first time, once you learn that, you can't deny that its true.
    Thought we were on the same page. Wasn't sure but thanks for clarity!
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