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    Default Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum

    Here are some links to Arnold's Jewish witnessing website pages:

    Life in Messiah - http://ariel.org/salvation.htm

    Thought Tracts - http://ariel.org/thought-tracts.htm:
    Does God Have a Son? - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-dgs.pdf
    Messiah, the Final Sacrifice - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-mfs.pdf
    The God-Man Concept in the Old Testament - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-gmc.pdf
    The Sign of the Virgin - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-stv.pdf
    The Trial of the Centuries - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-toc.pdf
    Zionism - What it is and What it is Not - http://www.arielm.org/outlines/tt-zwi.pdf

    Messiah Comes - http://www.messiah.com.es/
    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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    Default Jesus Was a Jew video on ariel.org

    Jesus Was a Jew Video (2nd video on page linked below).
    http://ariel.org/videos.htm

    This is a vimeo video, so I'm not sure I can insert directly.
    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRex2 View Post
    That is a very good reference from Ezekiel.

    Also, what do you think of Amos 8 ?
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+8&version=ESV

    I note that, even though it says "in that day" (which is usually a reference to after
    the Rapture) it kinda describes Israel from 70 AD to 1800 AD.

    Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
    They that swear by the sin of Samaria,.... The calf at Bethel, which was near Samaria, and which the Samaritans worshipped; and was set up by their kings, and the worship of it encouraged by their example, and which is called the calf of Samaria, Hosea 8:5; the making of it was the effect of sin, and the occasion of leading into it, and ought to have been had in detestation and abhorrence, as sin should; and yet by this the Israelites swore, as they had used to do by the living God; so setting up this idol on an equality with him:

    and say, thy God, O Dan, liveth; the other calf, which was set up in Dan; and to this they gave the epithet of the bring God, which only belonged to the God of Israel:

    and the manner of Beersheba liveth; or, "the way of Beersheba" (r); the long journey or pilgrimage of those at Beersheba; who chose to go to Dan, rather than Bethel, to worship; imagining they showed greater devotion and religion, by going from one extreme part of the land to the other, for the sake of it. Dan was on the northern border of the land of Judea, about four miles from Paneas, as you go to Tyre (s); and Beersheba was on the southern border of the land, twenty miles from Hebron (t); and the distance of these two places was about one hundred and sixty miles (u). And by this religious peregrination men swore; or rather by the God of Beersheba, as the Septuagint render it; though the phrase may only intend the religion of Beersheba, the manner of worship there, it being a place where idolatry was practised; see Amos 5:5. The Targum is,

    "the fear (that is, the deity) which is in Daniel 54eth, and firm are the laws of Beersheba;''

    [This is the 14th verse of Amos 8

    14 Those who swear by the Guilt of Samaria,
    and say, ‘As your god lives, O Dan,’
    and, ‘As the Way of Beersheba lives,’
    they shall fall, and never rise again.”]

    even they shall fall, and never rise up again; that is, these idolatrous persons, that swear by the idols in the above places, shall fall into calamity, ruin, and destruction, by and for their sins, and never recover out of it; which was fulfilled in the captivity of the ten tribes, from whence they have never returned to this day.

    (r) "via Beersebah", Pagninus, Montanus, Munster, Vatablus, Mercerus, Tigurine version; "iter, peregrinatio", Drusius; "Bersabanum iter", Castalio. (s) Hieronymus de locis Heb. fol. 92. H. (t) Ibid. fol. 89. F. (u) Ib. Epist. ad Dardanura, fol. 22. I.



    Matthew Henry Commentary
    Verses 11-14 - Here was a token of God's highest displeasure. At any time, and most in a time of trouble, a famine of the word of God is the heavies judgment. To many this is no affliction, yet some will feel it very much, and will travel far to hear a good sermon; they feel the loss of the mercies others foolishly sin away. But when God visits backsliding church, their own plans and endeavours to find out a way of salvation, will stand them in no stead. And the most amiable an zealous would perish, for want of the water of life, which Christ onl can bestow. Let us value our advantages, seek to profit by them, an fear sinning them away __________________________________________________ ________________

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    I am not Jewish, but one of my best friends is a Messianic Jew. In addition, in the early days of this forum, many on the board were studying Footsteps of the Messiah by Arnold Fruchtenbaum. This led me to get my own copy and later study some of his other materials. To me he is one of the most solid Bible scholars of our time - especially when it comes to understanding scripture from a historical Jewish perspective. For those that don't know his work, I will also say he is not of the Hebrew Roots ilk. He does enlighten concerning Jewish customs, but he adheres to and uses scripture to teach.

    Witnessing to Jews must be handled with love and with true biblical understanding. At least I wholeheartedly believe so. If ever there was a group hardened against Jesus, it would be this group. Arnold's materials, because he is a Messianic Jew, are sensitive yet truthful, insightful yet not offensive.

    Besides the Thought Tracts I linked to above which are amazing for witnessing to Jews here are a couple more sources.

    Arnold has a book called Jesus Was a Jew, which is available free online. http://ariel.org/jesuswasajew.htm

    In addition, one of my favorite studies by the Frucht is Ha-Mashiach: The Messiah of the Hebrew Scriptures (formerly entitled Messianic Christology, "now freshly reformatted with an updated introduction) is a study of prophecy concerning the First Coming of the Messiah. Fruchtenbaum works his way through the Hebrew Scriptures and shows from The Law, The Prophets, and The Writings how the revelation of the Messiah gradually progressed and built-up to reveal a magnificent picture of the Deliverer to come.

    When the messianic expectations of Hebrew prophecy are fully understood, it becomes clear who alone can fulfill these requirements."
    http://www.arielc.org/baf/baf-hm.html

    (cost is $20, but it is well worth the money) - it contains all OT prophecies concerning the first coming of Jesus. The weight of this evidence speaks to me of the validity of God's Word and that only Jesus fulfills all of them. If a Jew sincerely undertakes to study this, I believe, he will no longer have any doubts as to who the Messiah is.

    EDITED TO ADD: I believe all the materials I've listed in the last few posts would be best to witness to a Jewish person, however, there are a couple more studies that might help with the specific issues of sin, covenants and dispensations. Go to this link http://ariel.org/come-and-see.htm and you will find a free listing of topics. I would recommend:
    The Eight Covenants of the Bible
    The Dispensations of God
    What the Bible Teaches Concerning Sin
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    Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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    Ariel.org Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum
    http://ariel.org/salvation.htm

    The Holy Scriptures tell us five vital facts we need to know:
    1. GOD IS THE SOURCE OF A SATISFYING AND WORTHWHILE LIFE.

    You make known to me the path of life: in your presence is fullness of joy; in your right hand there are pleasures for evermore. Psalm 16.11

    This kind of life is the result of a close relationship with God.

    In your presence ... in your right hand speaks of a personal relationship that can be as intimate as the one between Abraham and God: Abraham my friend. Isaiah 41:8

    2. GOD'S CHARACTER IS THE STANDARD BY WHICH MAN IS TO LIVE.

    “You shall be holy: for I the Lord your God am holy.” Leviticus 19:2

    Anytime man deviates from God's holiness, he violates God's standard, and this is called sin. Obviously, then, all of us have sinned. Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20 (to be compared with Psalm 53:3-4)

    Since God is holy and just, He will not establish a personal relationship with anyone until his sin is dealt with because He cannot allow sin in His presence. Your eyes are too pure to approve evil, and You cannot look on wickedness with favor. Habakkuk 1:13

    Because sin is a violation of His standard and character, God must judge man's sin and reject it. This is why sin causes spiritual death and results in separation from God. But everyone shall die for his own iniquity (sin). Jeremiah 31:30

    Your iniquities have ever made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have caused Him to hide His face from you. Isaiah 59:2

    As long as sin separates us from God, we can't enjoy the life and relationship God wants us to have. But can't man solve the problem by living properly by prayer, repentance, and good deeds? No, man cannot remove the sin barrier by his own effort. And do not enter into judgment with Your servant, for in Your sight no man living is righteous. Psalm 143:2 (cf. Ezekiel 33:13)

    Human effort is not adequate because, in God's sight, all of us have become like one who is unclean and all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment.Isaiah 64:5 Human effort is not adequate because man cannot do enough to solve the problem. No man can by any means redeem his brother or give to God a ransom for him. Psalm 49:7

    How can this problem of spiritual death and separation from God be solved?

    3. GOD MUST TAKE THE INITIATIVE; HE MUST PROVIDE THE SOLUTION.

    But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave. Psalm 49:15

    The sin barrier can be removed by believing God's Word (faith) and by having the blood of the atonement.

    Abraham was an example of how the sin barrier can be removed. Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness. Genesis 15:6 We must follow the same pattern. The steadfast of mind You will keep in perfect peace, because he trusts in You. Trust in the LORD forever. Isaiah 26:3-4a (cf. Habakkuk 2:4) But Moses said that one more thing is essential, the blood of the atonement. For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement. Leviticus 17:11 (cf. Leviticus 10:17;4:35)

    But why would God want man to go through the awful procedure of killing an animal?

    When the offerer saw the sacrifice suffering and bleeding for the sins which he had committed, he was impressed with the awfulness of sin and the penalty of death (Ezekiel 18:4, 20) the sinner deserved.

    THE SACRIFICE SHOWED HIM GOD'S:

    HOLINESS because of His hatred of all evil,
    JUSTICE because He does not leave sin unpunished,
    MERCY because of His readiness to pardon the truly repentant and believing by providing a substitute for him.

    THE ANIMAL SACRIFICE THUS PROVIDED THE BLOOD OF ATONEMENT AND WAS AN ACT OF FAITH ACCEPTABLE TO GOD.

    But without a priesthood and without a temple, there can be no sacrifices.

    How can we have the blood of atonement today?

    4. GOD HAS PROVIDED THE BLOOD OF ATONEMENT FOR TODAY.

    We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53.6

    For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished. Isaiah 53:8b

    For he bore the sin of many. Isaiah 53:12b

    IN THE PROLOGUE TO ISAIAH 53 (ISAIAH 52:13-15), THE AUTHOR IDENTIFIES THE “HE” OF THESE PASSAGES.

    He is described as God's servant who will be exalted.

    God's provision of the blood of atonement through the Messiah follows the same principles God set up in the sacrifice system.

    SIN-OFFERING: Atonement for a man by means of a sacrifice.
    PESACH: Atonement for a family by means of a sacrifice.
    YOM KIPPUR: Atonement for a nation by means of a sacrifice.
    MESSIAH: Atonement for all by means of a sacrifice.

    As we have seen, under the sacrifice system, personal faith was necessary along with the blood of atonement. So also faith is necessary with the sacrifice of Messiah.

    He should be the object of our faith today.

    But how can we know who Messiah is?

    God made sure we could recognize Messiah by certain specific identifying marks.

    His ancestry was from the family of David (Jeremiah 23:5-6).
    The city of his birth was Bethlehem (Micah 5:2).
    He had a supernatural nature (Jeremiah 23:5-6; Micah 5:2; Isaiah 9:6).
    The manner of his execution was crucifixion (Psalm 22:14-17).
    He rose from the dead (Psalm 16:10; Isaiah 53:10).
    The time of his coming was before the destruction of Herod's Temple in 70 CE (Daniel 9:26)

    HISTORY TELLS US THAT YESHUA (JESUS) OF NAZARETH FULFILLED THESE AND MANY OTHER PROPHECIES.

    There are at least 48 specific prophecies concerning Messiah which Yeshua fulfilled. The probability that one person could fulfill all 48 prophecies is 1 out of 10 with 157 zeros after it!

    Many people since that time, both Jews and Gentiles, have had their sins forgiven and have gained a personal relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob through Messiah Yeshua (Jesus).

    5. YOU MUST, BY FAITH, RECEIVE MESSIAH YESHUA INTO YOUR LIFE IN ORDER TO HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD AND A SATISFYING, WORTHWHILE LIFE.

    To all who received Him (the Messiah), to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God. John 1:12

    Receiving Messiah Yeshua involves a moral decision to turn to God's way and from your own, to trust Messiah Yeshua to forgive your sins and bring you into a right relationship with God. When you receive Messiah Yeshua by faith (trusting what He has done for you), He comes into your life and gives you the power to live a satisfying, worthwhile life.

    Yeshua says, Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him and fellowship with him, and he with me. Revelation 3:20

    Remember...

    God is the source of a worthwhile life.
    Your sin has separated you from God.
    God's provision through Messiah Jesus is the solution to the sin barrier.
    The only thing God asks you to do is to trust Messiah Jesus to forgive you of your sins and give you a right relationship with God.

    YOU can receive MessiahYeshua by faith right now through prayer.

    Prayer is talking to God and is a good way to express your faith.

    You may want to use this prayer to express your decision to trust Messiah Yeshua.

    PRAYER: Messiah Yeshua, I admit that I have sinned. I believe that you have provided the blood of atonement for me. I receive you as my Messiah. Thank you for forgiving my sins and coming into my life as you promised.

    Sounds simple ... but when prayed in earnest with a sincere and honest heart, Messiah will come in, take up residence, and radically change your life ... as He has for millions, both Jew and Gentile!

    (Please note that all the biblical texts cited come from the Tanakh or Hebrew Bible.)
    THE NEXT STEP:

    After embracing Yeshua as Messiah, your next step is to “grow in Him” and become spiritually mature. We encourage you to do the following 4 steps:

    Find a local congregation near you that preaches the Word of God in a balanced and doctrinally sound way (click here to search a directory that may help you locate a Messianic Congregation in your area).
    Get plugged in to a small group where real growth in your life can take place. (Most congregations have “home groups” into which you should inquire.)
    Spend time with God's Word! Hear it, read it, study it, memorize it, meditate on it and apply it! Deut. 17:19; Proverbs 7:2-3; Psalm 119:11
    Pray. The Lord wants to hear from you! King David serves as a wonderful example for all of us. Psalm 27:3, 5, 13-14; 37:3-6

    MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU ON YOUR SPIRITUAL JOURNEY — YOU HAVE CHOSEN THE “PATH TO LIFE”! L'CHAIM!
    John 14:6
    Jesus answered, "I am the WAY and the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the Father except through Me."

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