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    I don't live in Alabama, so I haven't heard much about Roy Moore except for the 10 Commandments monument lawsuit, and that he is for biblical marriage and against abortion.

    Recently, there have been many people coming out of the woodwork, making accusations against a large number of celebrities regarding sexual misconduct that occurred decades ago. Why bring it up now, after all this time?

    The scripture that keeps popping into my head is, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". So many members of Congress are piling onto the attack bus. How many of them are adulterers, or sexual perverts, or addicted to pornography in this present time? And how is it they were willing to have Bill Clinton in the White House...twice, despite all the accusations against him that were much more recent.

    When I vote for someone, I am more concerned about their current behavior, beliefs, intents, not what they did when they were young and stupid and before they started walking with God. If we only wanted perfect people to be in government, there would be very slim pickings.


    Satan goes about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Christians are a big target for his "Gotcha!" games. Apparently, he is also like a dog, digging up long buried bones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud Watcher View Post
    Recently, there have been many people coming out of the woodwork, making accusations against a large number of celebrities regarding sexual misconduct that occurred decades ago. Why bring it up now, after all this time?
    People in power can keep victims silent for a long time.

    Actually, you don't even have to have that much power on a grand scale to begin with to have people you've hurt (sometimes repeatedly) say nothing about it. Victims of sexual assault have extremely complicated feelings. Self-blame and self-preservation and not wanting to relive the moments are high on that list. Having the person who assaulted you be your friend or boyfriend, and all the feelings that come with that. Being young and naive and afraid. Being terrified of how others will react. The list is endless.

    I am sure you have seen those who publicize their assault get shamed and blamed for what happened to them, which is horrifically wrong. They have to be put through the wringer time and time again when it is not their fault that someone hurt them. That's why they don't speak out. This happens to victims over and over and over again, and they get it from all sides. The police, their friends, and their family members.

    Spend some time reading stories of those who have been raped/molested/groped/assaulted. It is a terrifying and violating experience which everyone deals with differently. They don't owe anyone a "proper" way of dealing with their trauma, or sharing it. They are doing the best they can. God bless them.

    I believe women when they speak out about their experiences, because I know how much is thrown at them for it. From being called liars, to having to relive their trauma, to having people dictate to them how they should have dealt with it. There is very little to gain from speaking out. If anything, it is like being assaulted again, when all you want is help/justice. But they do speak out because they feel it is the right thing to do. And support is among the most important things you can have. When victims start to speak, they empower others to come forward. Keep your victims silent and divided, and no one will know what you've done.

    There is not much to gain from speaking out against Roy Moore. What will they get? Best-case scenario? Roy does not run for Senate, and someone else does. That's it. The first accuser wanted to speak out ages ago, but prevented herself for precisely the reasons people are going after her now. Her past, her mistakes, all of it. They want to discredit her and will hold onto anything that does not make her the "ideal" victim. It's not good. She also wanted to protect her (at the time) school-aged kids. I don't blame her for waiting. She just realized that she couldn't live with her molester as her Senator. And who can blame her?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud Watcher View Post
    The scripture that keeps popping into my head is, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". So many members of Congress are piling onto the attack bus. How many of them are adulterers, or sexual perverts, or addicted to pornography in this present time? And how is it they were willing to have Bill Clinton in the White House...twice, despite all the accusations against him that were much more recent.
    Two wrongs don't make a right. Certainly, no member of Congress or the Senate is innocent of wrongdoing, but does that mean they should allow an alleged pedophile in their midst too? Everyone should be held accountable. And those who aren't, their time should come. Certainly, some people will point the finger at the sins of another person to show that they, themselves, are good. However, it is really to protect themselves.

    It's a matter of holding several thoughts in your head at once. Are people in government drowning in wrongdoing? Sure. Does that mean we can excuse wrongdoing (and sexual assault of a minor is more than just "wrongdoing". It's a heck of a crime) just because it's someone whose platform/religious beliefs/principles we like? No. We have to be more complex than that. The world is a complicated place. I don't need to tell anyone that.

    Here's the thing too: A man sexually assaulted a minor and got away with it. Not only did he get away with it, but he will be in a position of great power. There is no justice in this. The scars haven't healed. And we need to support those who have been hurt. Not the person who has dealt the pain, no matter how Christian we believe he is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cloud Watcher View Post
    When I vote for someone, I am more concerned about their current behavior, beliefs, intents, not what they did when they were young and stupid and before they started walking with God. If we only wanted perfect people to be in government, there would be very slim pickings.

    Satan goes about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. Christians are a big target for his "Gotcha!" games. Apparently, he is also like a dog, digging up long buried bones.
    Roy Moore was in his 30's. I myself am 31 years old. I look at teenagers and think "baby". I would call you "young and stupid" if you were in your teens or early 20's. A man in his 30's ought to know better than to date or attempt to date teenage girls. Or hang out in a mall to meet teenage girls. Or sign a teenage girl's yearbook.

    I would like to believe those on RR with 14-year-old daughters would be none-too-pleased with a 30+ year old male being interested in them. I doubt you'd think that man was "young and stupid".

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    What if he did nothing? This is very suspicious to me because of the timing. What if this is all politically motivated? Even an attack from his own people who do not like Steve Bannon or want anyone associated with him to win a seat ? If he is guilty then , he should step out of the race. One of the first people to say out loud he should step down was M. McConnell, I thought how interesting. There are so many power struggles even within each party, amazing anything good for the country gets done at all.
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    I agree chaser, this just looks suspicious, alot of people calling for him to drop out.....and close to the election as well. Just lots to think about.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetG View Post
    We need to be better than this.
    I support Roy Moore, who is probly a Brother in Christ, based on what little I know about him. That little bit is good stuff. I also support him because I know, that like our President Trump, he is exactly the kind of person the globalists do not want in Washington D.C. and they and the powers and principalities backing them will stop at nothing to keep Roy Moore and others like him out of Washington D.C.

    Probly the only way that the allegations could be legitimized would be if Roy Moore were to admit to committing the things alleged. As it is, for me, if I were a voter in his state, I'd vote for him and I'd make sure folks knew I was voting for him. I'd want folks to know I support him. If it were later proved that the allegations were true, in hind site I'd believe I did what was right with the knowledge I had at the time.

    Satan used false witnesses against Jesus Christ as well. That's how he was brought forward to the authorities. It's an old trick, a terribly evil trick, and it still works today.
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    One of the accusers has already been outed as longtime democrat operative.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...her-democrats/

    http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2...conduct-story/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetG View Post

    Two wrongs don't make a right. Certainly, no member of Congress or the Senate is innocent of wrongdoing, but does that mean they should allow an alleged pedophile in their midst too? Everyone should be held accountable.

    Here's the thing too: A man sexually assaulted a minor and got away with it. Not only did he get away with it, but he will be in a position of great power.

    Roy Moore was in his 30's. I myself am 31 years old. I look at teenagers and think "baby". I would call you "young and stupid" if you were in your teens or early 20's. A man in his 30's ought to know better than to date or attempt to date teenage girls. Or hang out in a mall to meet teenage girls. Or sign a teenage girl's yearbook.
    Addressing a couple of your statements. In one sentence you use the correct terminology “alleged”. However, shortly thereafter you are vilifying the man. I am a woman that has had her share of life experiences, so I am not naive. I find all of this highly suspicious; and what 30yr old man signs a yearbook, especially using “DA” after their name anyway? The legal team needs to do their due diligence and have a hand writing team verify this is his signature. I have no idea if he is guilty or innocent, but judging him by the life he lives I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. I will be praying about this matter. Oh, and one other thing; wasn’t that a picture of Clinton behind her (or was that a photo? hmmm...)in one of the photos that were released?
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    I live in Alabama and I support Roy Moore. He has had numerous campaigns and this is the first time that anything like this has came up against him. If you live in Alabama you will know that both parties has tried over and over again to take him out and, to me, if there was anything like this in his past it would have came out a long time ago based on this. Know, I am not going to pretend that he is some saint and I know that there is probably things that he has done in the past that are not christian like, but I don't think it is anything on this level. The part that I don't understand is that all of this happened around the same time and around the same place, and the accusers were close to the same age, so, unless I have missed something and this happened in different places, how come none of them knew each other? They may have not been friends and they may have been different ages, but I know from when I was in school, I at least knew of the people who were in the other grades ahead and below me.

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    I am saying that I believe the women. This is not unbelievable by any means. Until there's solid evidence to the contrary, I will believe the victims. Sexual assault is different than your average crimes such as robbery or murder. Too many times, victims are glossed over and the perps are never brought to justice. Happens across the political spectrum and across all walks of life.

    I am also quite sure that if Roy Moore had a "D" next to his name instead of "R", you all would not be defending him so enthusiastically. You would be more than willing to believe the victims, and would not hesitate to bring that candidate down if you could.

    It is a sad day when politics get in the way of basic human compassion. I have many people I admire in the public sphere, but the minute someone accuses them of the things Moore is being accused of, I will immediately put them on watch, and won't defend them. I will listen to the victims and make sure they are heard. The person could well be innocent, but our society and culture far too often crushes those who speak up, and I refuse to be a part of that.

    Before you bring up Clintons (again) yes, justice must be done in that sphere too. Even if Roy Moore is innocent, this kind of adamant blind defense only makes those who do engage in predatory behavior (especially in positions of power) stronger.

    I hope Roy Moore didn't do it. I'd like to believe he wouldn't hurt innocent teenage girls. But all things considered, he gets no sympathy from me.

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    I'm giving him all benifit of doubt. It seems really suspicious that such claims weren't raised earlier. He's been in public life for decades. Now it smaks of dirty politics.

    And yes, I do believe Roy Moore is a brother in Christ, but that isn't why I doubt the claiments. I would believe a child telling of a recent incident, but a grown woman thirty-five years after; then only so near an election! Having raised teenage daughters, I know they would tell their best friends everything. No secrets there. Let these claiments produce one credible witness they told at the time of the offence. But we aren't hearing that are we.


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    Quote Originally Posted by G Moorish View Post
    Let these claiments produce one credible witness they told at the time of the offence. But we aren't hearing that are we.
    That's inaccurate. It has been stated numerous times that there are 30 sources that all corroborate the stories. Even recently, it was said that it was well known that Moore liked dating teenagers. This isn't a secret.

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    Mat 7:1-5 Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

    These allegations were from 35 years ago. Judge Moore is 70 years old, a lot older and a lot wiser. WHO is pure and worthy to judge him? Only one that I know of. Most people, if truthful, would admit that they have done things in their past that they wouldn't want broadcasted to the world. As for whether or not he should become an Alabama Senator should be solely up to the people from Alabama. The media, of course, has jumped all over it like a bunch of vultures. If, as a Senator, Roy Moore stood for Christian values, there are a multitude of real "perverts" fighting him tooth and nail. Let's just realize all the voices yelling for him to "step-aside" are not saints themselves!

    Just one more comment; None of them, or us, are in Control ! Only God Is !!!

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    The stepson of one of the accusers and has stated on video that his stepmother is lying.

    It was originally posted on youtube but when I tried the link on youtube, it had been pulled for "violating their community standards."
    Here's another link to the video.

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...dge-100-video/

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    While reading through all of these comments, I am thinking that referring to the accusers as "victims" and the accused as basically a "perv", that assumes crimes have been proven to have taken place.

    Gloria Allred is paid DEARLY by leftist organizations and it's not the first time she has been front and center in what have turned out to be "false flags".

    Keep in mind the vast amounts of money the RINOS spent to keep Moore out of this race, and it becomes ever more "smelly", especially looking at the swift and engulfing response from "holier than thou" senators and reps.

    Maybe Moore is guilt and maybe not. Really no way to prove that at this point.

    But when I heard Mitch McConnell's comments last night that he would discuss with Trump, allowing Jeff Sessions to run for the Alabama position to "save the seat", it got even "smellier".

    And to make the statement that the senate would refuse to recognize Moore if the people of Alabama elect him - it just reeks of a dogged determination to make sure he is never in a position to "invade the swamp".



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    Just tuned in to Fox news knowing that I could get an update on this unfolding situation in Alabama. Seems more pressure now is coming against Mr. Moore, more from the right and the left. McConnell inferring that Jeff Sessions could be inserted into Moore's position if/when he won it. Lots of scheming/planning and people demanding Moore bow out and that the overwhelming evidence says he is guilty. Have I missed something, where is/was the evidence? We live in an age where you can point at anyone and say anything you want, right or wrong and destroy that person. I feel like not even voting anymore, I have no trust in Washington, that they will do what is right, especially in G_ D's eyes , my allegiance is to the real King, to Jesus I lift my banner high, forever more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by madcat View Post
    But when I heard Mitch McConnell's comments last night that he would discuss with Trump, allowing Jeff Sessions to run for the Alabama position to "save the seat", it got even "smellier".

    And to make the statement that the senate would refuse to recognize Moore if the people of Alabama elect him - it just reeks of a dogged determination to make sure he is never in a position to "invade the swamp".


    I hope President Trump leaves this be and isn't talked in to taking a side at this point. Let the people of the great state of Alabama make their choice.
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    The Congress and Senate are the epitome of hypocrisy saying anything about Judge Moore when not only have they been using taxpayers' money to pay off their own accusers because of sexual misconduct and harassment for the last 10 years, they're actually covering it up by making the accusers sign non-disclosure agreements. Meaning, even though we're footing the payouts, we have no legal right to know who did what to whom and how much it cost!!! And there aren't any consequences for the harasser.

    Taxpayer piggy bank lets Congress settle sexual harassment cases in secret

    Equal treatment for lawmakers? Don’t count on it.

    A little-known law has been on the books for more than a decade that gives anyone accusing a federal lawmaker of sexual harassment the right to sue – but only if they consent to a lengthy drawn-out process that includes a written statement within 180 days of the incident, 30 days of counseling and another month or so of mediation.

    During that time, the claimant’s employer will be notified. The lawmaker’s identity, however, will remain confidential even if he or she is found guilty.

    Should there be a settlement – and there have been many – it’s the American taxpayer that’s on the hook, with “no public disclosure and no consequences for the harasser,” said California Democratic Rep. Jackie Speier.

    “The so-called process was clearly drafted to protect the institution rather than the most vulnerable,” Speier told Fox News in a statement. “Survivors have to sign a never-ending nondisclosure agreement just to start the complaint process, which is unheard of in the private sector, then continue to work in their office alongside their harasser.”

    The money comes from a special U.S. Treasury fund – and the payouts are kept quiet. That means, those found to be at fault are publicly shielded and don’t have to pay a penny out of pocket for settlement costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetG View Post
    People in power can keep victims silent for a long time.

    Actually, you don't even have to have that much power on a grand scale to begin with to have people you've hurt (sometimes repeatedly) say nothing about it. Victims of sexual assault have extremely complicated feelings. Self-blame and self-preservation and not wanting to relive the moments are high on that list. Having the person who assaulted you be your friend or boyfriend, and all the feelings that come with that. Being young and naive and afraid. Being terrified of how others will react. The list is endless.

    I am sure you have seen those who publicize their assault get shamed and blamed for what happened to them, which is horrifically wrong. They have to be put through the wringer time and time again when it is not their fault that someone hurt them. That's why they don't speak out. This happens to victims over and over and over again, and they get it from all sides. The police, their friends, and their family members.

    Spend some time reading stories of those who have been raped/molested/groped/assaulted. It is a terrifying and violating experience which everyone deals with differently. They don't owe anyone a "proper" way of dealing with their trauma, or sharing it. They are doing the best they can. God bless them.

    I believe women when they speak out about their experiences, because I know how much is thrown at them for it. From being called liars, to having to relive their trauma, to having people dictate to them how they should have dealt with it. There is very little to gain from speaking out. If anything, it is like being assaulted again, when all you want is help/justice. But they do speak out because they feel it is the right thing to do. And support is among the most important things you can have. When victims start to speak, they empower others to come forward. Keep your victims silent and divided, and no one will know what you've done.

    There is not much to gain from speaking out against Roy Moore. What will they get? Best-case scenario? Roy does not run for Senate, and someone else does. That's it. The first accuser wanted to speak out ages ago, but prevented herself for precisely the reasons people are going after her now. Her past, her mistakes, all of it. They want to discredit her and will hold onto anything that does not make her the "ideal" victim. It's not good. She also wanted to protect her (at the time) school-aged kids. I don't blame her for waiting. She just realized that she couldn't live with her molester as her Senator. And who can blame her?



    Two wrongs don't make a right. Certainly, no member of Congress or the Senate is innocent of wrongdoing, but does that mean they should allow an alleged pedophile in their midst too? Everyone should be held accountable. And those who aren't, their time should come. Certainly, some people will point the finger at the sins of another person to show that they, themselves, are good. However, it is really to protect themselves.

    It's a matter of holding several thoughts in your head at once. Are people in government drowning in wrongdoing? Sure. Does that mean we can excuse wrongdoing (and sexual assault of a minor is more than just "wrongdoing". It's a heck of a crime) just because it's someone whose platform/religious beliefs/principles we like? No. We have to be more complex than that. The world is a complicated place. I don't need to tell anyone that.

    Here's the thing too: A man sexually assaulted a minor and got away with it. Not only did he get away with it, but he will be in a position of great power. There is no justice in this. The scars haven't healed. And we need to support those who have been hurt. Not the person who has dealt the pain, no matter how Christian we believe he is.



    Roy Moore was in his 30's. I myself am 31 years old. I look at teenagers and think "baby". I would call you "young and stupid" if you were in your teens or early 20's. A man in his 30's ought to know better than to date or attempt to date teenage girls. Or hang out in a mall to meet teenage girls. Or sign a teenage girl's yearbook.

    I would like to believe those on RR with 14-year-old daughters would be none-too-pleased with a 30+ year old male being interested in them. I doubt you'd think that man was "young and stupid".

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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetG View Post
    I am saying that I believe the women. This is not unbelievable by any means. Until there's solid evidence to the contrary, I will believe the victims. Sexual assault is different than your average crimes such as robbery or murder. Too many times, victims are glossed over and the perps are never brought to justice. Happens across the political spectrum and across all walks of life.

    I am also quite sure that if Roy Moore had a "D" next to his name instead of "R", you all would not be defending him so enthusiastically. You would be more than willing to believe the victims, and would not hesitate to bring that candidate down if you could.

    It is a sad day when politics get in the way of basic human compassion. I have many people I admire in the public sphere, but the minute someone accuses them of the things Moore is being accused of, I will immediately put them on watch, and won't defend them. I will listen to the victims and make sure they are heard. The person could well be innocent, but our society and culture far too often crushes those who speak up, and I refuse to be a part of that.

    Before you bring up Clintons (again) yes, justice must be done in that sphere too. Even if Roy Moore is innocent, this kind of adamant blind defense only makes those who do engage in predatory behavior (especially in positions of power) stronger.

    I hope Roy Moore didn't do it. I'd like to believe he wouldn't hurt innocent teenage girls. But all things considered, he gets no sympathy from me.
    Quote Originally Posted by SweetG View Post
    That's inaccurate. It has been stated numerous times that there are 30 sources that all corroborate the stories. Even recently, it was said that it was well known that Moore liked dating teenagers. This isn't a secret.


    Very well stated and balanced posts, SweetG.
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