I celebrate Christmas
I celebrate Easter
I celebrate Halloween
I celebrate all
I celebrate None - It's of the devil! 
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I don't mean to offend anyone here who does this, but I have never understood this, but why do Churches who profess Christ have to have Fall Festivals or Harvest Celebrations on or around Halloween?
To me it is condoning the Satanic day by just masquerading and disguising/packaging it under a different name. JMO.
When I read your first sentence with all of the smilies I couldn't stop laughing!Originally Posted by StarryEyedLad
You know, when I first saw this thread, I said to myself, "This is going to get ugly".
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1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.
What do most people do on Halloween? Dress up in scary costumes, go to haunted houses, watch scary movies. There is also a darker element out there that takes the old pagan roots of the day very seriously, for evil purposes.
What else happens? People have dances, parties, hayrides, stuff themselves with candy and treats. There are fall harvest festivals, with social activity and community spirit.
See the difference?
You don't need to celebrate the dark side of the season. You can have a Fall Festival or Harvest Celebration. You can have costume parties with no evil or scary costumes. You can pig out on caramel/candy apples, popcorn balls, and chug some cider. Bob for apples, go on a hayride.
Don't mimic the evil stuff. Turn the day back into what it should have been...a celebration of the end of the harvest season. But give the glory to God for the season, the harvest, and fellowship with others. It becomes more of a...Thanksgiving day... in that sense!
I agree with you. I have one child, a son, and my husband and I disagree on many things. I have to make compromises in order to stay in my marriage and keep a relationship with my son. Giving up Halloween is one of those compromises even though if I had my way I'd have nothing to do with it. I just set rules and try to help my son fall in love with Jesus so that he won't want that stuff and learn to make wise decisions.
1John 2: 15-17
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
for ye are the temple of the living God;
as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them;
and I will be their God, and they shall be my people
Wherefore come out from among them,
and be ye separate,
saith the Lord,
and touch not the unclean thing;
and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2Cor 6: 14-18
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No matter your personal view on this day, USE IT for God's glory. How often to family's walk up to your door? Way of the Master has some great track kits for the specific use on holloween.
This should be used by each of us, and seen as a gift to have so many coming to our home that need the gospel. If your too far out in the country like I am, find friends in town and give them some tracts to go out. (million dollar bills work great)
Dan~~~>knows pastors going to the gay pride parade in Dallas to hand out tracts today (ugly event, great numbers of people to witness too)
God forgive our country!
I think its the Halloween MOVIES that she was reffering to.
Why anyone would want to watch that garbage is beyond me.
There is so much oppression in movies like that and in celebrating halloween. Its almost as if alot of folks on here don't realize how much oppression is in this stuff. Sure its fun and look cool, but that is how satan ALWAYS works. it looks good, it tastes good, it even feels good.
I don't judge people for this, but I do pray for them.
We presume that we would be ready for battle if confronted with a great crisis, but it is not the crisis that builds something within us—it simply reveals what we are made of already. -Oswald Chambers
So you are saying that if you don't participate in halloween, your husband may divorce you? What does your Church Pastor teach about halloween? Has your husband ever stopped to do an exhaustive study of it?
I think the turning point in this is this: Hosea 4:6a "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." Over the years, the more I've studied the subject of Halloween, the more repulsed I am of it all. Compromise should not be an issue in this, and if a believing husband has not crossed out the word "divorce" or "separation" from their personal dictionaries, this is something that deserves a deep study why one should. Submission is not really in harmony with compromise, we do not compromise to he Lord but submit in which our hearts then become changed.
Perhaps to provide a healthy Christian alternative for families with children - one without all the pagan aspects, ghosts, goblins, etc...?
Historically since the founding of America and our agricultural roots it has been common place to have any number of celebrations following the traditional Fall harvest season -
...so one could turn the question around and ask - why allow the commercialized version of the pagan Halloween holiday to spoil a traditional celebration of the harvest and a changing of the seasons - celebrations that go back to America's roots and even into OT times....
Also I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but our "traditional" Dec 25 "Christ-mass" has the date selection tied to Roman pagan celebrations...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChristmasThe Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, "the birthday of the unconquered sun." The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270-274); and Mithras, a soldiers' god of Persian origin. Emperor Elagabalus (218-222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.
December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.
If my kids want candy, I'll just go to the dollar store. I'd rather buy candy then have to search through a bag of it to make sure it hasn't been tampered with. And my kids don't eat much candy anyway. I'd rather just buy them a candy bar from time to time.
I vividly remember when I was a kid, a girl in my school was severly injured when she bit into candy that had a pin it it. I also remember LSD and other drugs put into candy.
Free candy won't lure me into having my children participating in a day that is filled with demonic activity.
I know what you are saying. I really do. My husband is a professed believer but is carnal in his ways. He does not live for the Lord. I guess you could say that I am being submissive to him by not making too big a deal out of Halloween. I agree with you that the more I study Halloween the more I'm repulsed by it.
There are so many things I've said absolutely no to. Just recently my husband very frustratingly blew up because we have so little in common. We've both been working very hard to find SOMETHING in common. Us being unequally yoked has been very painful for both of us. But the most painful thing for me is that when my husband dies I believe he's going to hell. Sometimes, it's almost too much for me to bear. Thank goodness the Lord has given me an ability to bear it.
Because of my faith and since we live together we have many conversations about God. We've sat down together and gone through The Way of the Master tracts and talked about how one cannot just proclaim belief in Jesus Christ but must repent of our old ways and put on the new and change direction in life toward that of Christ. As Ray Comfort would put it, you don't just believe that a parachute would save you, you actually have to put the parachute on before it will save you from a jump from a plane.
God has blessed me in many ways through my husband. My husband allows me to homeschool my son and teach him about the Lord. I've talked to my son about Halloween, rock music, and many other topics.
To answer your questions, no my husband won't divorce me if we do not participate in Halloween. It would just be one more thing that I don't do with him. My son is 17 years old now and for the last several years I've taken him to church on Halloween where they have a harvest Festival. My pastor believes in a safe alternative to Halloween and that's why they have the Harvest Festival. No, he won't do an exhasutive study on Halloween.
I hope this helps you understand why I make concessions sometimes.
and in all reality who really knows when easter is ??? the second sunday of each april changes every year... i think also that its all a matter of cellebrating a worshipping. i mean this because if you go out in a costume, going door to door getting free candy, with good intentions, then there is no harm in that. now there are always trouble makers eg.. drunk drivers, vandals, any hazard you can think of on halloween. but that same exact stuff happens every day.
Last edited by God is my protector; September 16th, 2007 at 03:10 PM.
Good point - I have the dubious honor of having lived in the neighbourhood of Deer Park Tex years ago when the so called "Candy Man" actually slipped poison candy into his own and other children's treat bags so that they would die and he could collect on a large insurance policy...
For years after the neighbourhood only gave out little coupons that could be redeemed for candy at stores
After many years the state of Texas manged to carry out the death sentence for this sicko Dad
Halloween:
http://www.exposingsatanism.org/halloween.htm
http://www.watchman.org/occult/hallow.htm
And since Tom brought up Christmas........After recent research, I was shocked to learn the Pagan origin of Christmas and all the symbols used at Christmas. I have had to re-think EVERYTHING I have ever been taught and do a lot of soul searching through prayer. It is so amazing how satan has used so many things to decieve us....no doubt, he is the master deciever. Here are a couple of links well worth looking at:
http://www.exposingsatanism.org/christmas.htm
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/...xmas/celeb.htm
I was also shocked to find out about Easter:
http://www.exposingsatanism.org/easter.htm
Hey wait, but wasn't Christmas just yesterday?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/242002.stm
If this is so then the correct date for the first Christmas is Tuesday 15th September 7 BC.
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/selah/...day-lord-jesus
Actually, December is around of the time of Conception, not birth. Of course, conception is a good point to celebrate, especially in this case. But yes, Constantine placed a Christ Mass tradition to replace the existing pagan calibration.
Sorry - did not intend to divert a Halloween thread into Christmas - just that we all need to be well advised when planning and making decisions as to family worship practices.... various celebrations, etc
My own worst Halloween was when our local church decided to sponsor a "spook" house - complete with goblins, etc
Needless to say we are no longer members there
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My thoughts exactly.
And to the parents that are concerned about their kids having fun, getting free candy, or not feeling left out- is it really worth it? You are teaching your kids that it is ok to bend God's rules just so that you can have a little fun and not feel left out. I don't have any kids, but when I do they sure won't be celebrating Halloween. And I don't care if they feel left out. It will be a good lesson for them to learn that sometimes if they are going to follow the Lord they are going to feel left out. I want them to know that in our family, we will always do what God says, even if its not the funnest thing and even if its different from what everyone else is doing. And boy, we sure do have it hard here in America. There are young kids halfway across the world that are willing to give up their lives to follow the Lord(www.persecution.com), yet Christian kids in America are not willing to give up some free candy. That is absolutely shameful. And most of the blame should fall on the parents.
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Thank you for the links above exposing these "celebrations" ..YESHUA has been showing me these "traditions of man" and their Babylonian /pagan/demonic origins for a while now.
The Almighty , in HIS word, gave HIS own Feasts, called the LORDS feasts for us to celebrate..
.. they are not simply Jewish feasts but called the"LORDS Feasts.".
They are all pictures and shadows of our beautiful Messiah..
"Rise up my fair one and come away..The time of singing has come, my dove in the clefts of the rock
....for my beloved is mine and I am HIS..
You are welcome Cheryl.Thank you for the links above exposing these "celebrations" ..
They are all pictures and shadows of our beautiful Messiah.I could use any prayers I can get regarding this and my Mom. I've been trying to explain all of this to her and she thinks I have gone off the deep end and have become fanatical. She doesn't believe there is anything wrong with Christmas, a Christmas tree, etc. I even printed her off a bunch of stuff to read a week ago and she refused to read it and refused to believe anything I said. Last nite, I quoted her some Bible scripture and tried to explain a few more things and said she couldn't and wouldn't believe it. She keeps wanting to use the excuse, "That is what I've been taught my whole life" and "I can't believe all the churches through the years would celebrate Christmas if it was wrong". She keeps saying she WILL NOT give up Christmas or her Christmas tree, etc., etc.
I have been praying for her on this subject and today, for the first time, she said she would read the material I printed up for her, but she didn't think it would change her mind. My mom is a Christian, and I am trying hard to understand why she won't even listen to what I have to say. The only answer I have is that is because of satan.
Just because this is what we have been taught all of our lives and it is all we have ever known and believed, doesn't make it right or true.
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Read Jeremiah 10:1-5 and see what those verses sounds like it is describing to you Waiting2go.
God has his Feast Days, and Satan has his. Unfortunately, man prefers to keep Satan's.
That was what I read her last night. She said she didn't interpret (sp) it the same way as me. I thought for sure those scriptures would open her eyes.
Kids getting dressed up to get candy is not worshipping Satan. Some people love to find the negative in everything.
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