101 Reasons we are in the End Times!

[Rei]

People who deny the rapture or go for mid-trib/end-trib aren't really backed up by Scripture. This belief seems to stem more from a 'I'd rather stay here and live my life' attitude than anything else. Could also be fear. I just can't wrap my head around anyone being AFRAID of Jesus returning.

I've talked to some about the end of the age and they close their ears and refuse to listen to anything that suggests they won't be able to grow up and live their lives out, talking as if the whole world and all of God's plans revolve around their desires. It can be disheartening. Praise God that there are places such as this that are like an oasis for us.

[As_Caleb_Says!]

100 years? It is possible, but I doubt it. However, it could be a lot longer than people think.

[LightOfMyLife]

Here are some scriptures for those who doubt the pre-trib scenario. Who do they think the armies which were in heaven are following Jesus upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean? It is the children of God who were already raptured. Read these scriptures Rev 19:11-16

[Mooky]

Hi Mooky! I hope you read around while you're here about the pre-trib position. We have a wonderful, sure hope!

I also hope you saw this posting rule:

[15] No promotion of Mid, Post Tribulation, Prewrath, Partial Rapture, Preterism, or Replacement theology. This board is traditional Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Pre 6 Seals, Pre 70th week, and Pre-Millennial Dispensational of End Times Prophecy. No posting alternative theories from other websites. We believe in a literal 7 year Tribulation period, after the instantaneous Rapture of all regenerated believers in unison, during which God finishes His discipline of Israel, protects Israel, and finalizes His judgments on the unbelieving world. Salvation will remain open to people trusting in Jesus for salvation up to the Second Coming.
No suggestions of living righteously enough for the rapture, or salvation unattainable after the Rapture is allowed.
All discussions on these topics must follow suit. Jesus said we won't know the day nor hour of His return and always be ready keeping watch.

Just a heads up.

Got it.

[Evoo327]

People who deny the rapture or go for mid-trib/end-trib aren't really backed up by Scripture. This belief seems to stem more from a 'I'd rather stay here and live my life' attitude than anything else. Could also be fear. I just can't wrap my head around anyone being AFRAID of Jesus returning.

I've talked to some about the end of the age and they close their ears and refuse to listen to anything that suggests they won't be able to grow up and live their lives out, talking as if the whole world and all of God's plans revolve around their desires. It can be disheartening. Praise God that there are places such as this that are like an oasis for us.

That's a good point. I've also found that some with the belief of anything but pre-Trib think that we deserve to suffer, somehow. That it's part of the persecution and tribulation that Jesus told us we'd have. Not true! We are not appointed to wrath. (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

Our judgement was taken for us, as believers, on the cross at Calvary.

We need not fear punishment.

Praise God!

[dleader]

That's a good point. I've also found that some with the belief of anything but pre-Trib think that we deserve to suffer, somehow. That it's part of the persecution and tribulation that Jesus told us we'd have. Not true! We are not appointed to wrath. (1 Thessalonians 5:9)

Our judgement was taken for us, as believers, on the cross at Calvary.

We need not fear punishment.

Praise God!

Amen to all of that!

[Gideon300]

I agree to a point. As a Computer Scientist (my degree that I do not use....) I can debate the technology being ready. It depends on what will be used. We can certainly have a cashless society, but those believing we will all be chipped will be waiting at least 50 more years. The cost and available material is not available, and will not be available, for another generation. Personally, I do not believe the Bible is discussing a chip of any kind, so I think our generation is the last.

This may be correct, it may not as far as how long it will take. Technology seems to be on a bullet train right now. However, tattooing barcodes is readily available. I just saw a story last week on Drudge about a guy who got a barcode tattooed that his IPhone scanned and took the phone to a website. We've all seen the fastpass credit cards, so if a tattoo barcode works, which has been demonstrated, then, combine the fastpass with this, and voila...MOB.

[Gideon300]

And have debated them all!!

And they all fall flat, just like your emoticon!

[Gilligan]

This may be correct, it may not as far as how long it will take. Technology seems to be on a bullet train right now. However, tattooing barcodes is readily available. I just saw a story last week on Drudge about a guy who got a barcode tattooed that his IPhone scanned and took the phone to a website. We've all seen the fastpass credit cards, so if a tattoo barcode works, which has been demonstrated, then, combine the fastpass with this, and voila...MOB.

That has been talked about for over thirty years. I remember Southwest Radio Church doing so back then.

[n808]

The seccond coming could be a hunderd years away. however, that doesnt put the rapture anyfurther away.

Enoch was raptured many years/generations before Noahs flood.

The fact that Israel, MOB and endtimes technology, and OWG structure are here now proves that the tribulation period is very near -likely within the average persons lifetime- which makes the rapture even closer for us.

[Blissfully Blessed]

Is it possible for me to believe that Jesus might not return for thousands of years and still be considered a Bible Believer? Or would this make me heretical?

I believe Jesus could return in our lifetime, but I also believe it is possible it may be thousands of years away. I honestly don't know. I have came to this conclusion based partly on so much failed datesetting in the 1970's and 80's that I really have no idea when Jesus will return. I well remember when many thought it would happen by 1988 because of using a forty year generation in Matthew 24:32-34 by adding 40 to 1948. Some subtracted seven years for the Rapture and came up with 1981. It wasn't just a couple prophecy teachers who came up with it.

This question has nothing to do with the failed date of two months ago, as I already knew it would not happen.

You MUST be kidding! Is this a joke? Do you read the Bible? Are you NOT watching what is happening in the entire world?

[Rei]

You MUST be kidding! Is this a joke? Do you read the Bible? Are you NOT watching what is happening in the entire world?

People ponder this all the time. Let's not be quick to point any sort of finger. (Although between you and me, I am passionate enough on the subject that if someone said this in front of my face I might just say exactly what you just did! )

[Fibonacci]

You might think that all the signs are here and I think so too but somehow everything just keeps holding off for one more year it seems. And then one more year after that. If you go by the whole 70 years thing then 2011 has to be it for the start of the tribulation. September has to be it in my opinion, but then again what do I know. Whatever the time God has in mind is whats its gonna be.

[acceptedintheBeloved]

September has to be it in my opinion, but then again what do I know.

Why not August? Or July, for that matter?

[Praying]

The seccond coming could be a hunderd years away. however, that doesnt put the rapture anyfurther away.

Enoch was raptured many years/generations before Noahs flood.

The fact that Israel, MOB and endtimes technology, and OWG structure are here now proves that the tribulation period is very near -likely within the average persons lifetime- which makes the rapture even closer for us.

I agree. It's come too far. Our heavenly father knows it is time to finish this once and for all. I can hardly wait to go home!!!!! I think it is soon, - very, very soon.

[WarriorX]

Let's think this through backwards.

If Jesus doesn't come for another 1000 years, what will have to happen in that time? Israel must be a nation when He returns, and continually a nation from today, since the Bible prophecies do not indicate Israel going back and forth between being a nation or not, or several diasporas.

Most nations do not last 1000 years. The Treaty of Verdun in 843 created an area similar to France today, but then it got carved up again, so you cannot say that France as a nation has existed for a 1000 years. (since 1328 perhaps) China has been around for age, but they have a very sequestered history and geography.

Israel, on the other hand, is a small country surrounded by enemies and I do not think it is possible for Israel to remain a nation for another 1000 years. 50? 100 at the most?

Yeah and you can't expect the muslim hordes to wait THAT long before they can't take the wait anymore.

[n808]

[11] No End Times Date Setting, Date Speculating, Date Framing, Date Suggesting, Date Alerts, or designating specific Peace Treaties or feasts as the main event of the Rapture or Second Coming. No quoting from others on date setting future events such as the fall of Damascus, Gog/Magog, the Rapture, the Second Coming, the Millennium, Peace Covenants, feasts, etc.... or speculations on who will be the Antichrist, False Prophet, or Gog. This includes linking to sites and books that also speculate and throw out dates based upon Blood Moon, Rosh Hashanah, and other events. Do not set Date Alerts and speculations that even hint of date setting, nor posting from date setting preachers. We have already heard the "know the season argument". Matthew 24:36 Mark 13:32
Please do not inadvertently call Jesus a liar.

by this deffinition, every post that says "Israel is the fig tree" and "this generation shall not pass" is against forum rules because it date frames. we are all guilty

also its too bad that future feasts of the lord are black listed topics. Jesus's fulfillment of the feasts is such interesting material.

move along folks, nothing to see here.

[Rei]

Why not August? Or July, for that matter?

I like the way you think! All signs given to us watchers by the Lord point to September. Whether this means rapture or just something huge prophetically, I don't know. However the incredible convergence of events is certainly God-orchestrated, and all landing in September.

And it is a shame that we can't discuss the feasts. The first four feasts of Israel were fulfilled by Jesus to the EXACT days and times. I see no reason why the next 3 shouldn't be, God is very calculating. Unique to the 5th feast is that no one knows the day or the hour of its beginning, and when Jesus Himself said "no one knows the day or hour..." that particular phrase in Greek is a Jewish idiom exclusive to Rosh Hashanah. Could mean nothing, could mean everything. But considering this is GOD we're talking about, 'nothing' isn't really an option.

[n808]

You MUST be kidding! Is this a joke? Do you read the Bible? Are you NOT watching what is happening in the entire world?

wow...

[Buzzardhut]

by this deffinition, every post that says "Israel is the fig tree" and "this generation shall not pass" is against forum rules because it date frames. we are all guilty

also its too bad that future feasts of the lord are black listed topics. Jesus's fulfillment of the feasts is such interesting material.

move along folks, nothing to see here.

We don't allow pinpointing dates here. I think you agree with the repercussions of setting dates.
The fig tree does not set a date for the rapture.
No one said you can't discuss the study of the feasts but announcing an upcoming fall feast or a red moon only brings up unnecessary expectations.
Camping is one good example to use here.