Nephilim, Demons, Cloning, Aliens, UFOs

[Verisimilitude]

Obama could be traced to the Nephilim but they all died in the flood.

This brings up a question I have. Eight people went on the ark. Only Noah was said to be perfect in his genes, his DNA if you will. The Bible does not say this about Mrs. Noah, nor Shem, nor Ham nor Japheth. Neither does it say the same about the wives of Noah's sons. If Mrs. Noah was not perfect in her DNA, neither would her sons be. Even if she was, if any one of the wives of Noah's sons were not perfect in their DNA, the nephilim gene would still make it's way into humanity.

Is it possible that the so called "nephiim gene" had been a dominant gene in most of the human race until the flood, and after the flood, became a recessive gene, one people may pass around, but that doesn't exhibit it's characteristics until paired with another "nephilim gene"? Or maybe some ecological factor or any special outside factor would activate the gene to become active? I've thought about this and with the growth of evil in the world today as it was in the days of Noah, it kind of seems as if the days of the nephilim are returning.

Could I be onto something or am I off my rocker?

[Verisimilitude]

He starred in the Adam's Family as Thing

[tml1432]

This brings up a question I have. Eight people went on the ark. Only Noah was said to be perfect in his genes, his DNA if you will. The Bible does not say this about Mrs. Noah, nor Shem, nor Ham nor Japheth. Neither does it say the same about the wives of Noah's sons. If Mrs. Noah was not perfect in her DNA, neither would her sons be. Even if she was, if any one of the wives of Noah's sons were not perfect in their DNA, the nephilim gene would still make it's way into humanity.

Is it possible that the so called "nephiim gene" had been a dominant gene in most of the human race until the flood, and after the flood, became a recessive gene, one people may pass around, but that doesn't exhibit it's characteristics until paired with another "nephilim gene"? Or maybe some ecological factor or any special outside factor would activate the gene to become active? I've thought about this and with the growth of evil in the world today as it was in the days of Noah, it kind of seems as if the days of the nephilim are returning.

Could I be onto something or am I off my rocker?

you are not crazy. I actually thought the same exact thing within the first few paragraphs of the story.

[atinja]

Wondering if this DNA might be from Cain's decedents thru Mrs. Noah or thru the wives of Noah's sons? It would be nice to find out if that DNA was yDNA (paternal) or mtDNA (maternal).

[Jan51]

This brings up a question I have. Eight people went on the ark. Only Noah was said to be perfect in his genes, his DNA if you will. The Bible does not say this about Mrs. Noah, nor Shem, nor Ham nor Japheth. Neither does it say the same about the wives of Noah's sons. If Mrs. Noah was not perfect in her DNA, neither would her sons be. Even if she was, if any one of the wives of Noah's sons were not perfect in their DNA, the nephilim gene would still make it's way into humanity.

Is it possible that the so called "nephiim gene" had been a dominant gene in most of the human race until the flood, and after the flood, became a recessive gene, one people may pass around, but that doesn't exhibit it's characteristics until paired with another "nephilim gene"? Or maybe some ecological factor or any special outside factor would activate the gene to become active? I've thought about this and with the growth of evil in the world today as it was in the days of Noah, it kind of seems as if the days of the nephilim are returning.

Could I be onto something or am I off my rocker?

Well, if you're off your rocker, I guess I am too, LOL, because I have also wondered about this possibility. I just wasn't brave enough to throw it out there!

[Sandra17012]

This brings up a question I have. Eight people went on the ark. Only Noah was said to be perfect in his genes, his DNA if you will. The Bible does not say this about Mrs. Noah, nor Shem, nor Ham nor Japheth. Neither does it say the same about the wives of Noah's sons. If Mrs. Noah was not perfect in her DNA, neither would her sons be. Even if she was, if any one of the wives of Noah's sons were not perfect in their DNA, the nephilim gene would still make it's way into humanity.

Is it possible that the so called "nephiim gene" had been a dominant gene in most of the human race until the flood, and after the flood, became a recessive gene, one people may pass around, but that doesn't exhibit it's characteristics until paired with another "nephilim gene"? Or maybe some ecological factor or any special outside factor would activate the gene to become active? I've thought about this and with the growth of evil in the world today as it was in the days of Noah, it kind of seems as if the days of the nephilim are returning.

Could I be onto something or am I off my rocker?

I have thought about this also.
Also, the nephilim were alive and well in the Promised Land, thus the bad report.
I wonder if we are headed to the shed

[Tall Timbers]

well... I've always figured that women are from a different planet...

[Sandra17012]

well... I've always figured that women are from a different planet...

Hmmmmmm

[Any Minute]

This brings up a question I have. Eight people went on the ark. Only Noah was said to be perfect in his genes, his DNA if you will. The Bible does not say this about Mrs. Noah, nor Shem, nor Ham nor Japheth. Neither does it say the same about the wives of Noah's sons. If Mrs. Noah was not perfect in her DNA, neither would her sons be. Even if she was, if any one of the wives of Noah's sons were not perfect in their DNA, the nephilim gene would still make it's way into humanity.

Is it possible that the so called "nephiim gene" had been a dominant gene in most of the human race until the flood, and after the flood, became a recessive gene, one people may pass around, but that doesn't exhibit it's characteristics until paired with another "nephilim gene"? Or maybe some ecological factor or any special outside factor would activate the gene to become active? I've thought about this and with the growth of evil in the world today as it was in the days of Noah, it kind of seems as if the days of the nephilim are returning.

Could I be onto something or am I off my rocker?

Are you referring to Genesis 6:9 with the bolded above? I don't believe perfect in his generations is in reference to his genetic make-up. It could mean upright, sincere, blameless.

[icebear]

i don't believe that angels have the necessary equipment to procreate

[Any Minute]

i don't believe that angels have the necessary equipment to procreate

http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/r...-Genesis-6.pdf

[Grace]

well... I've always figured that women are from a different planet...

You are a brave man!!

[WarriorOfGod]

A thought just came to my mind. Since Nephilim were not part of God's plan at all, do they go to hell or God just annihilated them since they were not part of the original creation?

[Not Perfect, But Forgiven]

Nephilim, being the offspring of the angels who descended to mate with human women, are the ancient men and women of legend. "Demi-gods" like Hercules, etc., were probably nephilim. All nephilim were all killed off in the global flood. As such, I assume they have souls due to their partly human nature (I could be wrong). Some would argue that their part angelic nature allows them to exist in a transdimensional state and act amongst full blown demons (fallen angels) to influence mankind. Some argue that they are not fully human, but a "form" of human-likeness, and therefore do not have the breath of life, and cease to exist upon death. The bible doesn't speak about the nature of their beings, but one thing is clear. They were not pleasant or good. I assume that nephilim do cease to exist upon death, and they do have not spirits. Since angels can take on basically any form, they can reproduce as humans do, but only with humans and not other angels as they do not have the necessary internal mechanisms to even get pregnant. The nephilim seemed to embody the essences of their fathers: prideful, war-hungry, greedy, blood-thirsty, rebellious, and murderous. It's almost like the angels used the women to create human-ish fleshly vehicles for what the angels themselves already were. Angels are insanely smart, but they don't know everything like God does. These angels most likely had a detailed knowledge of human DNA. That is to say, at least enough to replicate the necessary chromosomes to initiate the formation of a fetus in these women. With enough study, they could influence not only the appearance of the offspring but their nature and personality as well. Everything Satan crafts is an attempt to mimick God.

If I had to bet, I would say that the nephilim themselves do not have spirits. They had souls, which is the seat of their emotion and intellect, but no eternal spirit like we have. Only God, who is eternal, can give the spirit, which is eternal. Only eternal life can beget eternal life. Whether that spirit spends eternity in Heaven or Hell is determined by the choice for Christ or lack thereof.

[Buzzardhut]

A thought just came to my mind. Since Nephilim were not part of God's plan at all, do they go to hell or God just annihilated them since they were not part of the original creation?

They can't go to hell because they don't exist.

[Any Minute]

There are other definitions of the word 'perfect', blameless being a better fit, imo.

I take hope from this that fully human children will be taken in the Rapture.

That's funny,. Yes, they'll be fully human.

There are other definitions of the word 'perfect', blameless being a better fit, imo.

Too late to edit yesterday, wanted to add 'upright and sincere' to blameless. Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord, Noah walked with God as did Enoch, Genesis 5:24.

No matter the word used, I don't find biblical support for being 'perfect in his generations' (some good studies can be found on that phrase) having anything to do with fallen angels. I know Chuck Missler would disagree but that derailed in another thread.

Sorry for this derail, just wanted to clarify my previous post.

[RandallB]

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No matter the word used, I don't find biblical support for being 'perfect in his generations' (some good studies can be found on that phrase) having anything to do with fallen angels. I know Chuck Missler would disagree but that derailed in another thread.

Sorry for this derail, just wanted to clarify my previous post.

Never let a good derail go to waste is my motto....

Not only Missler but Jack Kelly would also disagree.

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bibl...ons-follow-up/

"Out of 167 appearances, it’s translated generations in 133 of them, and is never used like the NIV translation that you’ve cited shows. It literally means generations. The word translated perfect means “without blemish.” There was no defect in his genealogy."

[Any Minute]

Never let a good derail go to waste is my motto....

Not only Missler but Jack Kelly would also disagree.

http://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bibl...ons-follow-up/

"Out of 167 appearances, it’s translated generations in 133 of them, and is never used like the NIV translation that you’ve cited shows. It literally means generations. The word translated perfect means “without blemish.” There was no defect in his genealogy."

Yes, Mr. Kelley would also disagree.
And that is one of very few things I've come across with Mr. Kelley that I can't agree with. I do respect his ministry and his teachings, I read at his site frequently and recommend his commentaries often.

I don't pretend to be a Bible scholar or a teacher; just a student who wants to 'rightly divide' the Word (2 Timothy 2:15), like so many others here.

As you know, we can't (per the rules) discuss this topic on the open forum. I was surprised my last post remained(though edited). I didn't purposely seek to violate any rules (obviously didn't), I was responding to a post that no longer exists in this thread. Though with any post broaching this topic, after hitting submit, I wondered if it would be thrown into the 'Nephilim thread' (Steve53, )

This will mean little to anyone else but I will share this. I've been researching this topic, off and on, for quite some time now. Though my understanding was minimal on the subject of Nephilim (we're not given a whole lot in Scripture), I soon realized any knowledge I had was mostly from books, commentaries, and other believers influences. Not from a plain and simple Spirit led reading of Scripture alone. There is much to glean from the usage of words, their meanings in the original language, phraseology, revealed character and nature of God, etc...

A couple of years ago, I had the pleasure of becoming friends and fellowshipping with a commentator/teacher who contributes to this site, as well as others. He holds to and takes a great interest in the 'fallen angel mating with women' view, has written several articles on the subject, and I believe may be working on a book. I only mention this because of several conversations over dinners at each others homes, he was able to fill me in as to this POV, even provided me with much information, web sites, books, and DVD's (if your reading, I just realized I need to return the Missler collection you loaned to me). At that time, I had no interest in trying to disprove that view. It was very similar to what I already believed, though the introduction to transhumanism, genetic altering, and such was new to me. While researching all the materials I could get my hands on at the time, I quickly noticed all of the presupposition, sensationalizing, and overstating of facts, that often occurs when dealing with the topic. Often leading to confusion, speculation, fear mongering and increase of book and DVD sales.

Though difficult to let go of certain held teachings, I tried to rely on a simple reading of scripture (with the aid of scholarly works of history, theology, customs, word meanings, etc.) to see if the views I had been taught would hold up to scrutiny. I found myself losing grip of what many well intentioned teachers were saying on that topic because it doesn't seem to hold up, imho, to the entirety of God's Word. As I kept gathering and studying the information presented, I found myself not only in disagreement with some of the views, but actively seeking out more biblically sound teachings. I could tell you what Jack, Chuck, and several other teachers believed (from their writings) and even had to acknowledge that many of their views had become mine, through reading and promoting those views over and over. I had even started and was encouraged to write a paper on the subject, presenting all the available evidence, but I temporarly let that go for awhile (I know everyone is on pins and needles waiting for that one ). There are already several well written dissertations with more complete scriptural evidence on the subject, written by teachers and scholars with much of the alphabet behind their names.

Though I believe several verses from Genesis, Jude, Matthew, and others are misused to promote a fallen angel view of the Nephilim, bottom line, it's not a salvation issue. Like you and so many others here, I have a deeper concern for preaching Christ and Him crucified, the Gospel of Salvation, by properly placed faith in Jesus alone and His finished work at the Cross. I'll leave the deeper doctrines to those more qualified, called to be teachers. I've purposely not gone into specifics about Mr. Kelley's article that you posted because in doing so, I would certainly get this thread closed. As I'm sure your aware, God has always desired and required a called out, seperate people for Himself. In the days of Noah, same now as through out history, rebellious and disobedient man tries to mix the the things of God with the sinful things of this world. Noah found favor with God through faith. I can't seem to help myself, every now and then, to get involved when a commonly held POV is used to support an unbiblical idea. I hope this doesn't become a point of contention because as family in Christ, and as members of the sound boards of RR and RF, we have much more in common than we disagree about.

[Steve53]

Though with any post broaching this topic, after hitting submit, I wondered if it would be thrown into the 'Nephilim thread' (Steve53, )

The other thread must remain perfect in it's generations.