The Gun Toter's thread

[Joseph The Carpenter]

Have you fired that little Ruger .380? Do you like it? What kind of stopping power do you think it has? Is it better as a backup to your regular carry gun, or will it work as a primary?

So many questions.....

I don't own the ruger 380, just read about it. I do own a kel-tec 380 the same size. It is very small about 3x4 and a half inch thick. I can only get two fingers around it. I carry it as a back up or when I wear shorts. Any gun you carry is better than the one you left in the truck.

[mercyandgrace]

Sorry, I know this is the men's forum, but they aren't talking about guns in the women's section. My husband and I go to the ranges frequently. We own a nice shotgun, pistol and I'd like to buy a revolver to carry on my person (on private property) I don't have a CHL because of the fees and current waiting list. I've been hearing that AMMO is going to go up after the elections, so we've been trying to stock up. Any thoughts on that?

Take the class. It's worth it. You'll get a lot of useful info.

Another thing you might consider is a self-defense class.

[Seemomgonuts]

We have a Sig Sauer P229 (his), a Springfield XD9 (mine), and a Remington 870 shotgun (ours). We have a 22 conversion kit for the P229 on order, which will make it cheaper to shoot for fun- I can't wait to get that in!!!! I still am not used to the XD9 because not having a hammer throws me off, but other than that, I like it because it fits my hand very nicely. I would love to be able to conceal carry, but we live in CA.....so dare to dream..... It's not that it can't be done, it is just next to impossible.

[XD Joe]

Ah yes! Guns! I really enjoy the shooting sports. It is no secret in my church, either. We recently had a new young couple visit or sunday school class, and the guy walks up to me, introduces himself, and says that he was told that I'm the guy to talk to about shooting.

He hasnt gone shooting with us yet, because he has deployed to Iraq shortly after that.

[No2Flesh]

The Journalist’s Guide to Gun Violence Coverage

Guns are a sad fact of life in American culture and are a major topic in modern journalism. A good Journalist has a duty to get involved and make a difference in this important societal debate. By following certain guidelines, the concerned Journalist can be assured of having the maximum impact on this shameful problem.

The first principle to remember is that subtle use of terminology can covertly influence the reader. Adjectives should be chosen for maximum anti-gun effect. When describing a gun, attach terms like “automatic,” “semi-automatic,” “large caliber,” “deadly,” “high powered,” or “powerful.” Almost any gun can be described by one or more of these terms. More than two guns should be called an “arsenal.”

Try to include the term “assault weapon” if at all possible. This can be combined with any of the terms above for best results. Nobody actually knows what an assault weapon is, so you cannot be criticized for this usage. Your local anti-gun organization can provide you with a list of the latest buzz words like “junk guns,” “Saturday Night Specials,” and “the criminal’s weapon of choice.”

Don’t worry about getting technical details right. Many a reporter has accidentally written about semi-automatic revolvers or committed other minor errors. Since most people know little about guns, this is not a problem. Only the gun nuts will complain and they don’t count. The emotional content of your article is much more important than the factual details, since people are more easily influenced through their emotions than through logic.

Broadcast Journalists should have a file tape showing a machine gun firing on full automatic. Run this video while describing “automatic” weapons used in a crime or confiscated by police. At the least, a large graphic of a handgun should be displayed behind the on-air personality when reading any crime story.

Do not waste words describing criminals who use guns to commit crimes. Instead of calling them burglar, rapist, murderer, or repeat offender, simply use the term “gunman.” This helps the public associate all forms of crime and violence with the possession of guns.

Whenever drug dealers are arrested, guns are usually confiscated by the police. Mention the type and number of guns more prominently than the type and quantity of drugs. Include the number of rounds of ammunition seized, since the number will seem large to those who know little about guns. Obviously, the drug dealers who had the guns should now be called “gunmen.”

Political discussions on gun control legislation usually involve pro-gun organizations. Always refer to these organizations as “the gun lobby.” If space permits, mention how much money the gun lobby has spent to influence political campaigns and describe their legislative lobbying efforts as “arm twisting” or “threats.”

Gun owners must never be seen in a positive light. Do not mention that these misguided individuals may actually be well educated, or have respectable jobs and healthy families. They should be called “gun nuts” if possible or simply gun owners at best. Mention details about their clothing, especially if they are wearing hunting clothes or hats. Mention the simplistic slogans on their bumper stickers to show that their intelligence level is low. Many gun owners drive pickup trucks, hunt and live in rural areas. Use these details to help portray them as ignorant rednecks. Don’t use the word “hunt.” Always say that they “kill” animals.

Don’t be afraid to interview these people, they are harmless even though we don’t portray them that way. Try to solicit comments that can be taken out of context to show them in the worst possible light.

Never question the effectiveness of gun control laws or proposals. Guns are evil and kill people. Removing guns from society can only be good. Nobody really uses guns for legitimate self-defense, especially women or children. Any stories about armed self-defense must be minimized or suppressed.

Be careful about criticizing the police for responding slowly to 911 calls for help. It is best if the public feels like the police can be relied upon to protect them at all times. If people are buying guns to protect their families, you are not doing your job.

Emphasize stories where people kill family members and/or themselves with guns. It is important to make the public feel like they could lose control and start killing at any moment if they have a gun in the house. Any story where a child misuses a gun is front page material.

View every shooting as an event to be exploited. Always include emotional quotes from the victim’s family if possible. If they are not available, the perpetrator’s family will do nicely. The quote must blame the tragedy on the availability of guns. Photos or video of grieving family members are worth a thousand facts. Most people will accept the assertion that guns cause crime. It is much easier than believing that some people deliberately choose to harm others.

Your story should include terms like “tragic” or “preventable” and mention the current toll of gun violence in your city or state. Good reporters always know exactly how many gun deaths have occurred in their area since the first of the year. List two or three previous incidents of gun violence to give the impression of a continuing crime wave.

Little space should be devoted to shootings where criminals kill each other. Although these deaths greatly inflate the annual gun violence numbers, they distract from the basic mission of urging law abiding citizens to give up their guns. Do not dig too deeply into the reasons behind shootings. The fact that a gun was involved is the major point, unless someone under 18 is affected, in which case the child angle is now of equal importance.

Any article about gun violence should include quotes from anti-gun organizations or politicians. One quote should say that we must do something “for the children.” Anti-gun spokespersons should be called “activists” or “advocates.” If your employer wishes to appear unbiased, you can include one token quote from a gun lobby group to show that you are being fair. The anti-gun statements should be accepted as fact. The gun lobby statement can be denigrated by including text like, “according to gun lobbyist Jones.”

Fortunately, statements from anti-gun organizations come in short sound bites that are perfect for generating an emotional response in the reader or viewer. Gun lobby statements usually contain boring facts that are easy to ignore.

Feel secure in your advocacy journalism. The vast majority of your fellow Journalists support your activism. The nation will be a better place when only the police and military have guns. Remember that you are doing it for the children so the end justifies the means.

Eventually, the government will have a monopoly on power. Don’t worry about the right to freedom of the press, just contact me then for more helpful hints.

Professor Michael Brown School of Journalism, Brady Chair Vancouver College of Liberal Arts

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[Wally]

Have you noticed in Israel how quick armed citizens respond to palistinian terrorists?

I guess we should get the NRA mags to read the stories of law-abiding citizens preserving life and property. The communist- liberal- feminazi - pro-homo-anti-family (OK - those without Jesus) have taken over most other media.

AHHHH I'm sure I have some opnions that God is working on.

Ok. I would like to see guns not needed for defense. I would like to see the police un-employed because of lack of work. I would like to see the military dis-armed so to provide massive instant disaster relief, because it's the only work available for them...

But then the Mt of Olives is not rent in 2 yet. And Man's sinful nature is runnung rampant. So lets keep the guns in the hands of Responsible People, and punish those who do wrong.

[Steve53]

Gun control means using both hands!

[Tropicofthunder]

I do not see EFFECTIVE fire rates any different from semi to pump - lever.
Do you have preferences?

Note: PA requires manual loading for most hunting.

I have a semi-auto buckmark .22 (just for fun) and, personally, I like the lever action rifles faster and smoother than pumps.

[Big Daddy]

Gun control means using both hands!

Means hitting what your aiming at.

[Steve53]

Point of clarification if I may -
That's one in EACH hand.
I always hit what I aim at!

[Wally]

Gun Control means Magna-Porting your .44 Mag (Ted Nugent).

[A MAttR of Time]

Beretta 92FS Brigadier 9mm and Taurus 85 .38 Spl 2" are my EDC guns[WA CPL]. The Taurus fits into the front pocket of cargo pants nicely. The Beretta is tough to conceal, but it can be done.

Long guns are a Mossberg 600AT 12 ga pump and a Marlin 336W .30-30. I find I can unload the .30-30 thru the gate - no need to cycle the ammo. I sold my AK clone and went with the Marlin after 9/11 when it occured to me that anyone defending themselves with an AK would be looked upon as a terrorist. Not so with the all American .30-30.

[No2Flesh]

Ok. I would like to see guns not needed for defense. I would like to see the police un-employed because of lack of work. I would like to see the military dis-armed so to provide massive instant disaster relief, because it's the only work available for them...

But then the Mt of Olives is not rent in 2 yet. And Man's sinful nature is runnung rampant. So lets keep the guns in the hands of Responsible People, and punish those who do wrong.

Fantastic quote Wally.

[No2Flesh]

I have a semi-auto buckmark .22 (just for fun) and, personally, I like the lever action rifles faster and smoother than pumps.

I have the Browning Buckmark too (the Camper), its a blast to shoot, accurate, dependable, and ammo is cheap.

[NewWorldOrder]

I have the Browning Buckmark too (the Camper), its a blast to shoot, accurate, dependable, and ammo is cheap.

Ha! For you maybe. Ammo is getting really expensive. Oh, wait, your talking about ammo for your Browning.

Nevermind.

Ammo still isn't cheap, though.

[Wally]

My Ruger MkII 5" BBL is still going strong. 1000's of rounds and no jams. The add-on wooden target grips were worth it. BIL has a Govt Model MkII that doesn't shoot much better. (and mine was used when I bought it )

[The Learner]

Ha! For you maybe. Ammo is getting really expensive. Oh, wait, your talking about ammo for your Browning.

Nevermind.

Ammo still isn't cheap, though.

That is why you got to go with the 7.62x39 round. You can get 1000 rounds from an ammo website that I frequent (don't know if posting the link is against the rules) for $200 shipping included.

I also managed to pick up 500 rounds of Wolf 45 ACP for $120 at a gun show

[No2Flesh]

My Ruger MkII 5" BBL is still going strong. 1000's of rounds and no jams. The add-on wooden target grips were worth it. BIL has a Govt Model MkII that doesn't shoot much better. (and mine was used when I bought it )

I had a stainless Ruger Mk2 .22, loved it.
Got an Elvis complex and traded it for a guitar in my younger days, then when the guitar hurt my fingers I sold it. I wish I still had that gun.

The Browning .22 is very nice too, but its blued.

[Wally]

Most standard military cartridges can be bought cheap in quanity,

.223/5.56, .308/7.62x57, 7.62x39, .30cal, 30-06(still expensive) 9mm, 45acp, 40s&w;

I would caution against steel cased ammo - brass doesn't scratch steel barrels. (My preference)

But .22 long rifles... what $30 for 1000 rounds (2 bricks)... still the cheapest even if you hand load. Of course they don't rock like centerfires...

But then a .50cal BMG is about $20 per cartridge last I checked.

[SoThankful]

That is why you got to go with the 7.62x39 round. You can get 1000 rounds from an ammo website that I frequent (don't know if posting the link is against the rules) for $200 shipping included.

I also managed to pick up 500 rounds of Wolf 45 ACP for $120 at a gun show

Learner, out of curiosity because I've never bought ammo online, do they have to ship it to an FFL dealer?