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    Have owned many weapons but sadly had to sell all in last few years to pay medical related bills ,my ? There are many lower priced AR rifles marketed by BPS,Cabelas etc made by Colt, S&W & others what is difference between a $600-$700 priced DPMS or other compared to an expensive rifle? Are they reliable, what is the easiest to clean/maintain? What would be a good choice, if I need to spend $1000 I will, and what is best ammo for such rifle. After reading so many sites I am fatigued. My wife wants a .38 revolver, I am fine with that and could add a lever rifle in same caliber. thanks for any/all input, very appreciated

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    For reliability and price go with Ruger. Both The AR 556 and Mini-14 (if you prefer a classical wood-stocked type of carbine) are reliable rifles. Used models turn up at reasonable prices too.

    All Direct-Impingement ARs are functionally the same. Cleaning is simple, yet with a DI system you will have to clean a little more often as burnt gas is vented back to the chamber as part of the rifle's functioning.

    Some AR-types use a piston such as the Ruger SR 556. These firearms run cleaner, are more reliable, but the cost is greater.

    DPMS, M&P, even Bushmaster rifles are good buys, yet you do have the option of buying a new upper assembly if you want a different functionality - target, heavy barrel, even a couple different cartridges can be used with a complete upper swap only.

    Or if you want to brave a federal tax stamp, Form 1, and other hurdles, you can make a 10" barreled SBR.
    **Warning: putting a short barrel on a regular rifle lower, or even adding a stock to an AR pistol without proper paperwork is a federal crime. Read the laws before you do something foolish.

    Depending where you live, you may have limited selection and a restricted magazine capacity.


    As for .223 ammo, I have stayed with American Eagle ammo (low cost version of Federal Cartridge).
    Remington, Winchester, Herters are also reliable brands. I have had issues with PMC but not often.



    As for the .38 revolver, again I would go with Ruger. Smith and Wesson is also a favorite but adds to the cost. Avoid Taurus as there are many who have had bad service issues.

    I would recommend you buy a .357 as the price is likely the same, yet with a .357 you can shoot .38 Special, .38 +P, as well as .357, even 9x19 (normal 9mm) with moon clips.
    Also a .357 pistol is often a little more robust in construction. You can get lever-actions like Winchester or Henry that can shoot the same mix.

    The .38 special option gives you a lower powered round to practice and learn with and is often better for ladies who do not want a 'hand cannon'.

    Hopefully you have a range to practice at, and even experienced shooters (that includes me) can benefit from regular safety refresher courses.
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    Anyone see the documentary on PBS recently called The Armor of Light? Conservative Evangelical Pastor Rob Schenk questions whether or not Christians should own guns or conceal carry. He is decidedly anti-gun. I would be interested in some of your views on this if you get a chance to watch the documentary. Although I personally do not own a gun I am completely pro-second amendment and have not problems with gun ownership. In the documentary Pastor Schenk states that Christians that carry or have guns no longer are putting there faith and trust in G-d but in their smith and wesson. I completely disagree and am troubled by his views. I've heard Pastor Schenk speak in person many times and have some of his books and generally like him. He's based in Washington DC and has been for many years. My concern is that the ruling elite in Washington has had far more of an influence on him than he has had on the ruling elite. His big thing is pro-life and that we should have the right to publicly display the 10 commandments. Again, any opinions would be appreciated.

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    Wally, big thanks, I was leaning towards both Ruger for the AR and Henry for the LR. I love Winchesters but the Henry is shorter and better in tight quarters, and half the price, and if it is as fun to shoot as I think it will be, the wife will want her own(even more fun).

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    RKS: Although this is more of an informational thread, and not really for politics,

    and to stay in line with forum rules;

    We do best to trust in the Lord. To trust anything else is inviting disaster.

    We are to be wise - prudent. We are to take a stand against evil.
    And it is up to each of us as to how we do it, firearm or not, - with the given understanding all of us need to seek God's wisdom.

    It really doesn't matter who has all the guns, swords, nukes..... God is able and has delivered the weak from evil people.
    The battle belongs to the Lord.



    chaser: Glad to help. Although no guarantee, I've not done wrong with a Ruger. Not that others have not had issues, but the complaints seem to be few.

    I've purchased both new and used with no reliability issues. Currently I have an SR-556c. Piston carbine, bought used. Zero problems.

    Cowboy shoots are getting popular, so the Henry will fill the bill nicely. Lever actions are typically well under the gun-control radar, even when called CARs: Cowboy-Assault-Rifles.
    So what revolver is the misses interested in? Single action or DA or DAO?
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    She is small bone structure, her ring finger 3.5 and she does not like working the slide on a semi auto, so simpler the better and i'm leaning hammerless. Looked at a Ruger today, don't remember the model but it was all black ,and think barrel was 2 1/4"? .38 and the frame/grip looked like it would be ok for her. She is off tomorrow so will stop back and see if she is comfortable with it. Looked at several .357 but I know she won't go there, frames all too big and she'll be intimidated from go.

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    Sounds like the Ruger LCR. Not a bad choice.

    You may also want to check out a Ruger SP101 in a 32 caliber, (with 327 Fed Mag - you have the same option of using smaller cartridges in the same pistol).

    There are several "Lady" sized pistols to choose from. Take your time and if possible, get to a range or club where you can "test drive" a couple.

    Advantage of hammerless is less chance of snagging on something in her purse.
    Disadvantage: DAO trigger pull can be heavy, and you have no single action option- which is often much more accurate.

    Another excellent choice is to find a revolver in .22 WMR (22 Mag). It is a rather under-appreciated cartridge.
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    Thought I would resurrect this thread with a question.

    Has anyone put any mileage on one of those Cricket, single shot youth rifles?
    The look pretty good, but I wonder if they will remain reliable.

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    I know of no one who has one,

    but it's kinda hard to mess up a single shot .22 bolt action.

    Being that the Milton PA facility is growing, I suspect they have a strong product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    I know of no one who has one,

    but it's kinda hard to mess up a single shot .22 bolt action.

    Being that the Milton PA facility is growing, I suspect they have a strong product.
    It is a strong seller, but I don't know anyone who owns one, either.
    But some things are made more to sell than to last, and I was
    wondering how well this one is made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRex2 View Post
    It is a strong seller, but I don't know anyone who owns one, either.
    But some things are made more to sell than to last, and I was
    wondering how well this one is made.
    OK, I got an update. Some of the guys on another forum have bought them
    for grandkids and put well over 1000 rounds through them, without a problem,
    so I am going to consider the Cricket a good buy. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WarriorX View Post
    I'd practice more if I knew I had a supply of ammo that wasn't going to run out overnight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    My fear is that everyone is hoarding so much, that business re-tools to meet demand and suddenly everyone stops buying and the industry crashes.
    Well, so that the industry doesn't crash, and so that we don't run out, I offer the following
    (I wrote it this morning, so if it has grammar problems, it is my fault):
    OK, Trump has been elected. We have done our celebrating, and now it is time to get back to work. For those of us who understand Luke 22:36, God has charged us with the general and common defense of ourselves, our families, our friends, and our communities. Sooner or later, we will need to buy some ammo. I hope this little contribution will help with the question of how much ammo we need.

    A few years ago, there was activity and discussions all over the Internet about ammo shortages and how much people should stockpile. Today there is not much talk of stockpiling ammo.

    As a nation, we tend to deal with threats by going from complacency to panic, and then shortly thereafter, back to complacency. Right now we are in a state of complacency. Trump won, and no one seems to think there is a substantial risk of gun control or ammo shortages in the next few years. But our own government is only one of many possible threats to our well being.

    There are many other things that could happen, and having ammo on hand is like having money in the bank. No, it shouldn't be the first thing you buy with your paycheck, but it shouldn't be the last, either.

    Now, a bit of a "trigger warning." The numbers you are about to see will shock many people who live in cities. Especially in areas that have been under liberal rule for many years. They will shock people who have sat under a pastor who preaches pacifism (many will not come out and say it, but preach it covertly). They will shock many people who live on the East or West coasts. Or Chicago. These numbers are even illegal in some of those places.
    But to anyone with experience in the business of shooting, these numbers are pretty conservative. Even skimpy.

    How much ammo should you have? Well, that is a question that no one has a good answer to. Various opinions have been put forth on the subject. I did an informal survey and the most common answer among preppers was 1000 rounds per gun. Second most common was 2500 rounds per weapon you keep for self defense, and 500 rounds for any other firearm.

    In the early fall of 2015, when ammo prices had recently dropped back to reasonable levels. an author on the "offthegrednews" website wrote an article on the subject, advocating that the most ammo anyone would need would be around 2450 rounds. And that was for a family of four, each having a long gun (rifle or shotgun) and a sidearm.

    That would be two standard combat loads, plus an average of one round a day for hunting, for each person.

    Sounds pretty good, but:
    He was wrong. This is a guy who generally gives good, sound logical advice on many subjects, but he got it completely wrong. How? He forgot practice ammo. In the comments section, even he admitted that he forgot practice ammo. Yes, he mentioned training, but he mentioned it as a one time deal. Yes, you need to get initial training in shooting, but you need to practice on a regular basis. Even when things are not going well, you will need to practice regularly.

    Just for practice ammo, I recommend having a minimum of three years supply.

    Do you go to the range every quarter? Shoot 100 rounds? Ok, if you do, that is 400 rounds a year, so a three year supply is going to be 1200 rounds. I know a guy who does that monthly, so for him that amounts to 3600 rounds.

    This is what I recommend, as a minimum. Even more so, a three year supply is what you want to have on hand, not at the start of, but in the middle of, a shortage. When you get down to a three year supply, you need to begin rationing your ammo. So, right now, you need more. The last three ammo shortages lasted about a year, so an extra year supply over that three year minimum is a good idea. That means a year after a shortage hits, you will have to begin curtailing your practice, and conserving your supplies, to keep that "three years at current rate of use" level.

    So, now that we are talking about buying 1000's of rounds of ammo, your budget is probably in a panic. Well, don't buy all of that ammo at once. I have heard people say that you should buy a box or two with each pay check, but I don't think that is the best idea, either, since that would mean higher prices. Don't be afraid to buy your primary staple ammo by the case. Just get a case once every couple months. Many wholesalers provide free shipping on orders over $100, so that would be a good minimum.

    If anyone has questions about buying, storing, cache, etc
    I will be glad to hear them.
    If anyone has questions about buying, storing, cache, etc
    I will be glad to hear them.

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    Quick update.

    Someone mentioned to me that they didn't know much about ammo.

    We were talking about ammo for defense against four legged predators.

    I could write books about ammo, and indeed, books have already been written, but for here, I will just say the optimum kind of ammo for defense against four legged predators is generally the same kind of ammo you would use for hunting, which is not always the same kind you would use for defense against two legged predators.

    In an emergency, whatever ammo is in the gun that is in your hand is what you will use, of course.

    Any other comments are welcome, as are questions, or even disagreements

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRex2 View Post
    Quick update.

    Someone mentioned to me that they didn't know much about ammo.

    We were talking about ammo for defense against four legged predators.

    I could write books about ammo, and indeed, books have already been written, but for here, I will just say the optimum kind of ammo for defense against four legged predators is generally the same kind of ammo you would use for hunting, which is not always the same kind you would use for defense against two legged predators.

    In an emergency, whatever ammo is in the gun that is in your hand is what you will use, of course.

    Any other comments are welcome, as are questions, or even disagreements
    Eric has me carrying my .380 with hollowed points, and my additional mags have the same. When we go out shooting he has me switch the bullets out and replace them with some cheaper kind.

    I always pray that I don't have to use them. Whether out in the forests against predators or when I'm out doing my exercising. But I'm thankful that I've been given the knowledge and ability to protect myself or others if need be.

    When Eric was a cop he worked several cases that involved attempted abductions. The victims were adult women.
    It wasn't too long after those cases that I began going to firearms training and self- defense classes, followed by obtaining my concealed carry permit. He also had me listen to seminars by a fellow named Dave Grossman. (Check him out if you haven't heard of him...very good!) All of this taught me to constantly be aware of the current situation and potential dangerous scenarios around me, and to figure out how I'd handle it if something did occur.

    It's just being prepared. We all know we live in an evil world and we're all going to die at some point. But I certainly don't want to die at the hands of a deranged murderer. No thanks. I may 'look' like a defenseless woman but my husband has seen to it that I'm more than capable of protecting myself.
    Like I said yesterday...several times while out cycling I've had men try to get me to stop and talk. If I don't know them I just shake my head and give a hand gesture that says, "shew!" A couple times there's been guys drive by slowly 3 or 4 times, so I just stop biking and stare them down when they pass.

    I'm totally off topic again. My apologies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koalie View Post
    Eric has me carrying my .380 with hollowed points, ...

    When Eric was a cop he worked several cases that involved attempted abductions. The victims were adult women.
    It wasn't too long after ...

    I'm totally off topic again. My apologies!
    You are not off topic for this thread.

    Thanks for the link you sent me by private message.

    I plan to post a couple more times on this thread, as we go through winter.

    Kinds of ammo - and - how to store them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRex2 View Post
    You are not off topic for this thread.

    Thanks for the link you sent me by private message.

    I plan to post a couple more times on this thread, as we go through winter.

    Kinds of ammo - and - how to store them.
    Sounds good! I'll keep my eyes open for your posts.

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    It should be considered just where you will be traveling and what kind of critters you will encounter.

    A day on the local AT [Appalachia Trail] will likely encounter a couple rattle snakes for which a walking stick and shot shell are most effective.

    However if dogs are more of a threat, the shotshells will do little except maybe scare them off.

    Yet a 9mm in any flavor would be a poor choice against a Florida gator.

    Latest tests indicate repellant spray is more effective than a firearm in bear/dog cases.
    [maybe they have Picatinny-rail mount spray cans to increase your options]


    Then you have to contend with game law vs self defense law which can vary from state to state. You don't want FMJ ammo on PA game lands,

    yet if hiking a rail trail, it would be better against thugs with body armour.


    Even so, there is a mentality out there that kinda discourages people from protecting themselves against nature let alone human nature.

    That said, I encourage anyone planning to carry a firearm to get training, learn the law, and join a local gun club-and practice in order to be best prepared no matter where you travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    Even so, there is a mentality out there that kinda discourages people from protecting themselves against nature let alone human nature.

    That said, I encourage anyone planning to carry a firearm to get training, learn the law, and join a local gun club-and practice in order to be best prepared no matter where you travel.
    Very good post, Wally. I completely agree about people getting training, and also the sentence about people who discourage self protection...doesn't make a lot of sense. .

    I also carry pepper spray when I'm in the woods and when I'm out and about. My in-laws gave me a stun gun last Christmas but I'm letting me mom use it until she can afford something else for protection.

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    Being that you're in Idaho, I'd be more concerned about 4 legged critters.

    Philly Metro is a whole different environment.

    .380s are a pitiful round against large animals, but the crack and flash may just scare them away. [spray may actually be your better defense here]

    Of course if you are really proficient - and accurate, well that's critical no matter what cartridge you use, you may still do well.
    [.32 auto was a standard cartridge vets used to put animals down - even cattle]

    Depending just how rural you are, I'd be inclined to carry a slug gun or a lever action 45-70 guide gun. It keeps more distance between you and it - whatever it is.

    But carrying a rifle can upset other hikers.

    So in a compact sense, I'm thinking something like a .44 mag revolver, but that may be overkill - for your arm.

    This leads me to select a revolver in either .327 Fed Mag or .357 Mag. I'd choose a .327 cartridge with a solid truncated cone bullet.
    The advantage of the .327 is you often get 1 extra shot out of a similar size pistol 7x vs 6x or 6x vs 5x.
    And you get more flash and less felt recoil than a hot .357 load. .357 is more common and may be cheaper if you shoot a lot.

    Either pistol will chamber and fire shorter cartridges which can save $$ while practicing.

    A couple speed loaders, some practice, and you have a versatile tool no matter what you encounter.
    That's my recommendation FWIW - based on my presumption of what you may encounter where you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    Being that you're in Idaho, I'd be more concerned about 4 legged critters.

    Philly Metro is a whole different environment.
    ...
    That's my recommendation FWIW - based on my presumption of what you may encounter where you are.
    I think she mentioned a 40S&W. With a flat nose bullet, it would be effective against wolf. I think if I were the one encountering either wolf or mountain lion, I might need to change mags in less than 9 seconds, because the first one would be empty.

    My uncle carried a 44 Magnum, in case of close and violent encounters with bears, while hunting. I don't recommend it unless you are stout enough to shoot a box of ammo through it on any given Tuesday. Personally, I carry a 9mm, and my backup is a 9mm. I depend on knowing exactly what physical limitations an animal has, for my defense against them. (for instance, a pig cannot turn on a dime, nor can it go up a 3 foot vertical wall).

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