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Thread: Scriptural reference against playing the lottery? The gambling thread *Merged*

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    Tom

    I think you have been given some good advice on both ends. So, if you want to go buy a lottery ticket, stop torturing yourself and go buy one......

    Years ago, I use to play. Didn't think much of it at first, when I had money. It was not a habit or anything. Usually I only played if the jackpot was big. But funny thing about my personality. I actually expected to win each time I played...really I did, and I would be disappointed that I didn't. I would always dream of all the bills I could pay off and buy a nice house...pay for my son's college and buy homes and cars for my family. "Oh Lord, please let me win" was a prayer I had....the wrong prayer over the wrong things...then when I lost my job, I played even more...prayed even more. Was disappointed even more. Playing the lottery when I had no money seem to cause me to really want to win bad...real bad. I would wait purposely to check the numbers the next day, thinking how nice to have gone to bed poor and woke up rich.....I really was focused on winning the lottery!!!!

    Now I am not saying this would be you, but in the end, I just did not want to play anymore when I realized God was still providing for me and here I was wanting the money to take care of "worldly" things...and so I never bought another ticket again.

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    I'm no expert here either, but I have played the lottery serveral times. I know the bible speaks of "casting lots" (gambling), and I'm also aware there is alcohol mentioned in there too (wine). Not sure if these are deemed sinful acts unless they become an addictive nature.

    Great post, as I just bought 2 tickets for the other nights drawings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -wrEk- View Post
    I'm no expert here either, but I have played the lottery serveral times. I know the bible speaks of "casting lots" (gambling), and I'm also aware there is alcohol mentioned in there too (wine). Not sure if these are deemed sinful acts unless they become an addictive nature.

    Great post, as I just bought 2 tickets for the other nights drawings.
    Casting lots was was a method of old use to ensure Gods will came to pass. It was used in a time when they had neither Gods Word nor the Holy Spirit to guide them. We are blessed to have this guidance and therefore casting lots is not a reliable form of guidance. To compare playing the lottery with the casting of lots of the bible is like comparing chalk and cheese.

    I find it uneasy the relative ease certain Christians have in participating in this ungodly form of covetousness. Praise the Lord when you have nothing , Praise Him when you have everything. Rely on Him to provide you with a job, do not rely on your flesh which would desire you to throw all your money down the drain playing this wordly game.

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    My pastor once said that playing the lottery imposes upon the sovereignty of God, our daily provider. That made sense to me and I never bought another lottery ticket again.

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    Hmmm, some very thought-provoking posts here and I thank you. I do want to respond to a few…

    “Why do you want to win? Is it for God's glory or your comfort?”
    I know you folks don’t know me, but I am a giving person. When God has blessed me, I’ve given away cars and trucks, helped the homeless and supported ministries. I currently support a child through World-Vision. Yes, I’m unemployed, but God is still taking fantastic care of me and my wife.
    There is no question, in MY mind, that if I hit the lottery, 1- it would be because God wanted me to and 2- HE would get ALL the glory and I could absolutely love giving the majority of it back to Him.

    “Basically, gambling when you are unemployed is not very sensible.”
    I completely agree - it does not make sense (like a lot of the Christian life to the unsaved?)- that is part of my puzzling…

    “I just believe that buying lottery tickets/gambling is not being a good steward of the money God has given you. Instead, send that money to someone in ministry, and store up treasures in Heaven!”
    I understand…we still serve in our church, tithe and like I said, support that child, and give to other ministries- so I/we ARE storing up treasures in Heaven…of that I am confident.

    “I actually expected to win each time I played...really I did, and I would be disappointed that I didn't.”
    Through this season of unemployment, I could have let disappointment become my closest friend, IF I were not firmly convinced that God knows better than I do. There have been some jobs that I was perfectly qualified for, and yet, they did not come thru. THAT is disappointment for sure…but my trust is in God and I trust Him to make my path straight and put me where HE wants me…and when.

    I don’t know if willing the lottery is how He will deliver us, but if I don’t buy a ticket, then He can’t. In MY mind, buying a ticket is just another door/method that God may choose to use to deliver us from this valley.

    Thanks for all of your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in TN View Post
    I completely agree - it does not make sense (like a lot of the Christian life to the unsaved?)- that is part of my puzzling…
    Crossing a busy freeway without looking doesn't make sense either. However, that does not make it a sensible or Christian thing to do. You seem to be really reaching in order to justify this, Tom.

    God is perfectly capable of providing for us without us having to do something to enable Him. It is not a return on an investment.
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    You know, if the money in a lottery came from very rich people for the purpose of helping someone less fortunate, then "maybe" it would be more "ok" to play. However, reality is that the money comes from people who are mostly poor or have a gambling addiction or have the wrong motives for playing because they "love" money. Its difficult to justify spending a dollar of God's money (and its all His) in order to possibly "win" money coming from that kind of source. The lottery is just another tool in the enemy's arsenal to get people's focus off of God or seeking Him out for their needs. Think the casinos have grown so much these last years because God has blessed them? I dont think so.

    And dont think "well, the money goes for schools"... I know many teachers in Florida who have to buy their own classroom supplies and I"m talking about basics.... and I even read this year about bringing their own toilet paper? Maybe its for "scholarships".. find some proof of that... find out exactly where the money is going and I bet its only a small percentage going for anything along those lines.

    And one more thing to think of... even as much as we "think" we know our hearts... we truly dont.... and most believers could not handle a large sum of money all at once very well.... in all probability it would pull most of us away from our dependence on the Lord and its also unlikely we would seek His direction how to even spend it most of the time..... this calls for being honest with ourselves in this materialistic world we live in...... God does bless some monetarily like that but not many..... you dont see too many rich people still depending on Him like they do when they were poor. Its takes a gift from the Lord to handle large sums of money in service of the kingdom and for His glory.

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    Default Lottery our national nightmare.

    Look on line for all the horror stories about people becoming instantly wealthy.There are a lot of incredibly bad situations the news network do not report on.Want,pray for, then expect God,s will for your life.
    The lottery used to be called the number,s racket in the days of Big AL Capone and many good police died fighting this-now it,s legal-this does not make it right to do/play.


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    It's wrong for me. I can't speak for anyone else, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in TN View Post
    But here’s the deal…I’ve been layed off for over a year and I believe that I need to open ALL the doors I possibly can to allow God to deliver me.
    Why do you think God needs your help?

    Your prayers will go much, much, much further than wasting your money on lottery tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lyngraphics View Post
    I have played the lottery, and really don't have a problem doing it myself, but I could not see myself buying a ticket if I did not have a job or steady source of disposable income. God does not need your "help" in His plans for you.

    On the other hand, just as drinking one beer is okay for some people, there are others who aren't capable of doing so (addiction), and others still who are compelled not to. This is one of those topics.
    I agree. I buy a lotto ticket now and then if I have an extra buck, but just for fun. I expect to lose my $1 and if I win, even just my $1 back, I count it as a blessing. But I can see how this could cause problems for people. No advice, but I will pray!

    And the accountants I work for call the lottery a tax on people who can't do math

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in TN View Post
    My hope is NOT in winning the lottery, but in doing/being where God wants me.
    God does not want you to be careless with your money. I don't know the exact statistic, but I believe the odds of you winning the lottery are less than you getting struck by lightning - more than once.

    Playing the lottery is not good stewardship of your money, so God would have nothing to do with that "open door". So being in a place where you are throwing your money away is not where God wants you to be.

    Now, if someone bought you a ticket as a gift that would be different. I would consider that a great blessing should one win in that case. But in that situation you would not be gambling your money at chances, but rather playing a game someone purchased for you - win or "lose".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathy_52 View Post
    I don't know if buying a lotto ticket in itself is scripturally wrong but what it can do is allow us to take our eyes off the Lord for meeting our every need


    Matthew 6

    25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

    28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

    31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolina_guy View Post
    Why do you think God needs your help?

    Your prayers will go much, much, much further than wasting your money on lottery tickets.
    AHA! Yes!

    How big is your God? Do you not believe that if you pray about it, He will deliver you some more honest way? Why do you think you need to buy a ticket incase that's how God wants to deliver you? Come on brother, think about this. Maybe like me, God wants to teach you to rely on him only for a season, and that means being VERY careful with your money... eg... only putting it where it will really help you, like buying groceries. When you buy a lottery ticket, you are only buying a "chance". What a waste, when you could have used the funds for something solid.

    Trust God to see you through this lean season without wasting your money on hopes and dreams.
    I know that you have little strength, yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come upon the whole world to test those who live on the earth. (Rev. 3:8,10)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in TN View Post
    But here’s the deal…I’ve been layed off for over a year and I believe that I need to open ALL the doors I possibly can to allow God to deliver me. I have no idea how His deliverance will come - only that it WILL. (but through a lottery? I don’t know)
    here's a thought... if God wanted to deliver you .. do you really think He would need the lottery to do it? Is there a better way you could spend the money you do have that would be more pleasing to God?

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    Why do you think God needs your help?
    I’m not ‘helping’., but I AM going to give God the opportunity to ‘help’ me.
    I’m sure not going to sit around and expect Him to bring me a job- I’m out looking for one - I see this as the same thing.

    here's a thought... if God wanted to deliver you .. do you really think He would need the lottery to do it?
    Of course not, but here’s the fact, there is no “if” in this equation.
    Please see Psalms 34:19 and 50:15. These are promises from God.
    I don’t know when, nor do I know how, that is entirely up to Him.

    I intend to give Him a LOT of open doors to work with. He will choose the best one for me. I trust Him.

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    Tom

    Well, I dare say that there is not much else that can be said about this topic, so it would be something if you did happen to buy a lottery ticket and win...big-- and then came back here and posted you won, please close this thread...Now that would make me

    But whatever you decide, may you look to the word of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in TN View Post
    A few months ago, Bruce Wilkinson spoke at our church and on of his concepts was to create a “God pocket” wherein you keep some money to use as the Holy Spirit prompts you. I was wondering how the money gets in there in the first place, so I decided that for every dollar I use playing the lottery, I would put one dollar into my God pocket…
    Interesting source for where this whole conversation started.

    Bruce Wilkinson, for more on him and his Word of Faith buddies, maybe you should look through the Apostasy section of this website. I know that he has written books like ( The Prayer of Jabez) where he essentially asserts that by repeated praying daily of the same prayer ( which is spoken against by Christ Jesus himself) that God is "bound" to answer your prayers. Amazing that someone would treat God Almighty as a "magic power" that we can tap into with a repeated incantation..as if we were the ones in control and commanding God..

    I have never heard of this MYSTICAL God pocket thing. I would suggest the basics--seek God's will for your life and not obsess or idly dream about riches and what you would do with earthly wealth..

    God does not need you to buy a lottery ticket or open any "mystical pockets" for Him to put blessings in your life. Our Lord Father knows your needs and does not need you to provide ways for His blessings, they are according to His will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom in TN View Post
    I’m not ‘helping’., but I AM going to give God the opportunity to ‘help’ me.
    I’m sure not going to sit around and expect Him to bring me a job- I’m out looking for one - I see this as the same thing.



    Of course not, but here’s the fact, there is no “if” in this equation.
    Please see Psalms 34:19 and 50:15. These are promises from God.
    I don’t know when, nor do I know how, that is entirely up to Him.

    I intend to give Him a LOT of open doors to work with. He will choose the best one for me. I trust Him.
    You are not listening, Tom. God doesn't need you to give Him an opportunity. You are simply trying to justify your desires without taking advice from the posters here. Not to mention, your deliverance may have absolutely nothing with material wealth or financial distress, and it probably won't.

    Trusting God does not mean finding it necessary to "open doors" for Him. I can only imagine what God thinks about such a foolish thought.

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    6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

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    Tom, you started this thread, on the face of it, to seek advice regarding playing the lottery. However, it looks like you don't like the advice you have received. I can only suggest that you take this direct to the Lord and ask Him to open your eyes to how He views it.

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