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    I’m struggling with this a bit and am seeking a ‘multitude of counselors’. Most Christians I know would advise against playing the lottery.
    Tom, the reason you're struggling with this is because you already know the answer to your question. You're just trying to justify ignoring what the Holy Spirit is telling you. Buying lotto tickets is not worth grieving your conscience.

    After I got prompted and finished my meal, I gave her the money and told her “I’m holding some money for a friend of mine and He wants to give your 3 days back.” I handed her the money along with a card I had printed: “This money has been brought to you by Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, Who loves you very much.
    Please tell Him, ‘Thank you’ for it.”
    Bless you, that was a wonderful thing to do! But doing good works in a dollar-for-dollar matching of bad works is not the right approach. In ALL things give glory to God!

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    Question is Gambling a sin?

    hello. i am wondering if gambling is wrong or is it a sin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie111390 View Post
    hello. i am wondering if gambling is wrong or is it a sin?
    http://www.gotquestions.org/gambling-sin.html

    The Bible does not specifically condemn gambling, betting, or the lottery. The Bible does warn us, however, to stay away from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Scripture also encourages us to stay away from attempts to “get rich quick” (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Gambling most definitely is focused on the love of money and undeniably tempts people with the promise of quick and easy riches.

    What is wrong with gambling? Gambling is a difficult issue because if it is done in moderation and only on occasion, it is a waste of money, but it is not necessarily evil. People waste money on all sorts of activities. Gambling is no more or less of a waste of money than seeing a movie (in many cases), eating an unnecessarily expensive meal, or purchasing a worthless item. At the same time, the fact that money is wasted on other things does not justify gambling. Money should not be wasted. Excess money should be saved for future needs or given to the Lord's work, not gambled away.

    While the Bible does not explicitly mention gambling, it does mention events of “luck” or “chance.” As an example, casting lots is used in Leviticus to choose between the sacrificial goat and the scapegoat. Joshua cast lots to determine the allotment of land to the various tribes. Nehemiah cast lots to determine who would live inside the walls of Jerusalem. The apostles cast lots to determine the replacement for Judas. Proverbs 16:33 says, “The lot is cast in the lap, but its every decision is from the Lord.”

    What would the Bible say about casinos and lotteries? Casinos use all sorts of marketing schemes to entice gamblers to risk as much money as possible. They often offer inexpensive or even free alcohol, which encourages drunkenness, and thereby a decreased ability to make wise decisions. Everything in a casino is perfectly rigged for taking money in large sums and giving nothing in return, except for fleeting and empty pleasures. Lotteries attempt to portray themselves as a way to fund education and/or social programs. However, studies show that lottery participants are usually those who can least afford to be spending money on lottery tickets. The allure of “getting rich quick” is too great a temptation to resist for those who are desperate. The chances of winning are infinitesimal, which results in many peoples’ lives being ruined.

    Can lotto/lottery proceeds please God? Many people claim to be playing the lottery or gambling so that they can give the money to the church or to some other good cause. While this may be a good motive, reality is that few use gambling winnings for godly purposes. Studies show that the vast majority of lottery winners are in an even worse financial situation a few years after winning a jackpot than they were before. Few, if any, truly give the money to a good cause. Further, God does not need our money to fund His mission in the world. Proverbs 13:11 says, “Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.” God is sovereign and will provide for the needs of the church through honest means. Would God be honored by receiving donated drug money or money stolen in a bank robbery? Of course not. Neither does God need or want money that was “stolen” from the poor in the temptation for riches.

    First Timothy 6:10 tells us, “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.” Hebrews 13:5 declares, “Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, ‘Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.’” Matthew 6:24 proclaims, “No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”
    http://www.gotquestions.org/poker-sin.html

    Poker is often considered a sinful activity due to its close relationship with gambling. The Bible instructs us to keep ourselves from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). The Word of God also teaches us to stay away from attempts to "get rich quick" (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Further, there are far more beneficial things we can be doing with our money than wasting it on gambling (Luke 6:38; 2 Corinthians 9:7).

    However, there is nothing essentially sinful about playing with cards. Apart from gambling, playing poker is no different than playing a board game. Poker can be played with chips (or other substitutes) instead of money. If gambling is removed from the “equation,” there is nothing wrong with a friendly game of poker. The key is playing in moderation, not allowing it to become an obsession, and avoiding the temptation towards gambling.

    An additional consideration regards the principle of not causing a brother to stumble (1 Corinthians 10:31-33). If, by playing any card game with someone who may have a problem with the temptation to gamble, we knowingly cause him to be tempted further, then we are doing harm to that person. As in all things, love for others should be a primary consideration.
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    If you lived isolated on an island in the middle of the sea, then perhaps your private sin would not affect anyone but yourself. However, since the maxim is "no man is an island," there is a good chance that you have a family or at the least friends and acquaintances that you come into contact with on a continual basis. All of them will be affected in some way by sin because sin has consequences (Romans 6:23). That is a principle that follows the pattern laid down at the creation. Everything created has a seed from which it propagates itself after its "kind" (Genesis 1:11, 21, 25). In other words, you do not plant corn and expect to harvest beets. You cannot “plant” sin—even in private—and not expect to reap a harvest of consequences. And consequences have a way of spilling out over everyone and anyone that comes into contact with us because of another principle called "association." This means that those around you can be blessed or hurt by association with you and the choices and actions you make, both privately and publicly.

    One needs only to look at the recent scandals involving famous evangelical leaders to see the effects on others of “private” sins. Once they are discovered—and the Bible tells us to “be sure your sin will find you out” (Numbers 32:23)—families, friends, congregations, and the Christian community at large will be harmed. Worse still, the cause of Christ will be damaged as unbelievers scoff and sneer at us and blaspheme His name. It may seem that people sin without visible consequences, but what is secret will one day be made manifest. "For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open" (Luke 8:17). Can you honestly say that there is no one that would then be affected by your secret sins if they should become known?

    Sin that is kept secret produces guilt, and guilt has a way of changing us. Others see those changes and are affected by them. Perhaps a spouse, for instance, is unaware of her husband’s addiction to pornography, but his addiction leads to a guilty secretiveness and change in attitude toward her as his sexual partner. She perceives that change and speculates on the possible cause—he finds her unattractive, he doesn’t love her any more, or he’s having an affair. While none of these things are true, the consequences of his “private” sin are potentially devastating to her, their marriage, and their family, even if his secret is never discovered.

    Here is another principle to consider. "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. . . . So that it will not be obvious to men that you are fasting, but only to your Father, who is unseen; and your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you" (Matthew 6:6, 18). When we reason from Scripture, we are able to see a principle here that can be applied both positively and negatively. What we do in secret, God will reward openly. If we pray and fast as unto the LORD, we are rewarded. So, it stands to reason that if we sin in secret, we shall also be “rewarded” openly for that action. In any case, God sees and knows about sin, whether private or public, and He does not let sin go unpunished.

    The greatest consequence of private, personal sin is to our own mortal soul. Ezekiel 18:4 says that the soul that sins shall die, and Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is death. This speaks of a person who is a natural, habitual sinner without the benefit of newness of life. For the born-again child of God—one who has accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior—there is a standard of conduct, both in private and in public: "So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God" (1 Corinthians 10:31). A born-again child of God has a desire to live to glorify God, and even though there are times when we can and do fail, God has made provision for us to be in fellowship with Him. He has promised that “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9).



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    Buzz gave the best answer. I believe it is 100% a sin. You are taking a dollar (or whatever amount) and instead of investing it in the kingdom or others, you are investing it in a chance to make more. From God's perspective, what glorifies Him more and gives Him a chance to move and to bless? Would He bless you taking that dollar and investing it in a worldly system that has destroyed millions or would He bless you by taking that dollar you gave to someone in need and He has the chance of making it multiply? It is all His money. I think we when gamble, we are supporting a system that the enemy uses to destroy people and does so quite well.
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    My own personal opinion: gambling is a lot like alcohol; plenty of people can "take it or leave it" - and plenty can't. They get addicted.

    There is nothing wrong with getting a return on money; take pensions, for instance, or a savings account. You are using your money, to get more money, further down the line. Interest is paid.

    We also PAY interest on plenty of things (credit cards, car loan, mortgage) so it evens out. We are probably paid less, than we paid.

    We had a case in Houston of a man who won a mega-millions jackpot. He lived in a small town about 20 miles out of downtown.

    He was very happily, long-term married. He had a nice little house, a few vehicles, and a good life - before he won.

    At first, he donated money to the church and pretty much anyone who asked. He did "a lot of good".

    A few years later, he was in debt to his eyeballs, completely overdrawn, divorced (he cheated), and committed suicide. In his suicide note, he said winning the lotto was the worst thing that ever happened to him.

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    I like the answer Acts gave in regards to relating it to alcohol. As long as it doesn't cause you to sin, in my opinion, it is ok, but definately something to do in moderation and to keep an eye on. If it gets to the point where you are gambling the money you should be using to pay the mortage/rent or buy diapers/food for your kids, or your family is having to go without to fund this habit, then it has crossed the line.

    IMO, a small bet here or there for your favorite football team, a friendly poker game, etc. is fine. However, if you are around someone, especially a new believer who thinks that it's a sin and it could compromise their faith in some way or tempt someone else you know, (say someone who does have a gambling problem), you should stay away from it around these people.

    I personally do not like casinos and won't go to one but I know plenty of people who like to go, just for fun. When you go to a casino, you have to keep in mind that it's sole purpose for existing is to make them money. It is not a benevolent organization that is put in place to dole out money to a few lucky people. The odds are stacked against you there...they serve free alcoholic drinks in the hopes that you'll loosen up enough to give them more money!

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    Yes, gambling is a sin. You are relying on the world to make you rich and win a bunch of money instead of staying in Gods Grace to provide for you.

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    I agree with Acts- some can "take it or leave it" and for those it probably doesn't cause a problem. Some can't- and if they play with the fire they'll not only burn themselves but their family and friends and it's devastates their lives and is definitely a sin

    I used to live in Las Vegas and on occasion take $X and play the machine and when it was gone go home- winner or not. It was entertainment and budgeted in the budget just like we would budget in going to a movie or bowling. But that is an EXCEPTION. The problem I have with gambling and the lottery is that it's a way to get rich quick- without earning it or saving it. In itself it may not be sin but it feeds off the sin of greed

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuntheRace View Post
    I agree with Acts- some can "take it or leave it" and for those it probably doesn't cause a problem. Some can't- and if they play with the fire they'll not only burn themselves but their family and friends and it's devastates their lives and is definitely a sin

    I used to live in Las Vegas and on occasion take $X and play the machine and when it was gone go home- winner or not. It was entertainment and budgeted in the budget just like we would budget in going to a movie or bowling. But that is an EXCEPTION. The problem I have with gambling and the lottery is that it's a way to get rich quick- without earning it or saving it. In itself it may not be sin but it feeds off the sin of greed
    Greed is a good word used for gambling.

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    Grace to You has several sermons/articles to choose from:

    http://www.gty.org/search/gambling

    (some links are free to read on the site, some links are to buy books, etc.)

    I read one of the articles awhile back, very informative.

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    Does the form of gambling matter? For example, poker is math based and a skill--but there is still luck involved. Roulette is simply blind luck, no skill or experience needed.

    Poker is gambling due to the luck involved, but one can figure out %'s and read people and are playing other players, not the house.

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    "The Bible does not specifically condemn gambling, betting, or the lottery."

    IMHO, blanketing all forms of gambling is legalistic and inaccurate. For example, my mom is in a nursing home witn a large number of residents that suffer form advanced dementia. One of the little games they do for them is Bingo. It gives the old folks a thrill to holler out "bingo" even if they don't win anything. Obviously the prizes aren't cash (I don't know WHAT they are), it just give them something to do and enjoy. Door prizes at a Christmas party, raffles at weddings etc. Not all types of gambling are necessarily about greed or love of money. We used to play "penny poker" in University. The biggest anybody ever won was me. It was a whole $1.31.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernie111390 View Post
    hello. i am wondering if gambling is wrong or is it a sin?
    It completely depends on the motivation.
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    Gambling is a sin for me. There's never been any question about that for me. From the getgo I knew it was wrong for me and therefore I've been inclined to avoid all kinds of gambling in my life. Fortunately, I've never been so inclined anyway.

    A long time ago I ended up spending several hours in Las Vegas while I was participating in a 48 hour 1000 mile motorcycle ride. I was a little ahead of schedule so I planned on getting a few hours sleep. I went inside a casino and could feel the evil inside the place. With all the mirrors and stuff all over the place it wasn't easy finding my way back out, but I don't think I was in there for more than a couple of minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Acts5:41 View Post
    My own personal opinion: gambling is a lot like alcohol; plenty of people can "take it or leave it" - and plenty can't. They get addicted.

    There is nothing wrong with getting a return on money; take pensions, for instance, or a savings account. You are using your money, to get more money, further down the line. Interest is paid.

    We also PAY interest on plenty of things (credit cards, car loan, mortgage) so it evens out. We are probably paid less, than we paid.

    We had a case in Houston of a man who won a mega-millions jackpot. He lived in a small town about 20 miles out of downtown.

    He was very happily, long-term married. He had a nice little house, a few vehicles, and a good life - before he won.

    At first, he donated money to the church and pretty much anyone who asked. He did "a lot of good".

    A few years later, he was in debt to his eyeballs, completely overdrawn, divorced (he cheated), and committed suicide. In his suicide note, he said winning the lotto was the worst thing that ever happened to him.
    I lived in Kingwood when this man won. His story has stayed with me all these years. Don't want to give Satan an avenue to tempt me, so I don't gamble.

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    Yeah. The sad thing was, according to "The Curse of the Lotto" he was saved....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    "The Bible does not specifically condemn gambling, betting, or the lottery."

    IMHO, blanketing all forms of gambling is legalistic and inaccurate. For example, my mom is in a nursing home witn a large number of residents that suffer form advanced dementia. One of the little games they do for them is Bingo. It gives the old folks a thrill to holler out "bingo" even if they don't win anything. Obviously the prizes aren't cash (I don't know WHAT they are), it just give them something to do and enjoy. Door prizes at a Christmas party, raffles at weddings etc. Not all types of gambling are necessarily about greed or love of money. We used to play "penny poker" in University. The biggest anybody ever won was me. It was a whole $1.31.
    You do raise a good point Gary but I would not build my theology around the exception to the rule...for me it would be a sin in most cases. I used to play poker for nickles in Jr. high and I see how it could easily become addictive from the "high" that winning a $1.31 produced.
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    Yes the Lottery...The flesh side tells me wouldnt it be great, no more working, no more credit cards, but the other side tells me what an incredible spiritual battle it would be not only for myself, but for family members.

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