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    Ken Silva's site, Apprising Ministries, has been shut down based on Richard Abanes' (Rick Warren's defender and Saddleback Church member) complaints to Silva's ISP.

    From Slice of Laodicea:

    *Lighthouse Trails Research has a post up now about this situation.*

    Before I leave town, I am going to address the situation with Richard Abanes and what he did to Ken Silva at Apprising Ministries. Abanes contacted the legal department at the ISP for Apprising Ministries and claimed that Ken had posted slanderous/libelous material at his site in a 2005 article. Abanes wanted the article pulled. The ISP, which is IPower, has said that they will delete the entire site by this evening if Ken doesn’t comply.

    Having read the article, many of us are at a loss as to what slander Richard is talking about. Further, it’s been up since 2005, and he only now decides to go after the author? Richard claims he never contacted Ken about it because he thinks Ken is arrogant and wouldn’t have changed any offending inaccuracies. This is the crux of the problem. The first step in any blog or website dispute over material is to contact the offender personally and ask for corrections or removal, based on what the issue is. That isn’t just Christianity 101, that’s common sense. Richard admits that Ken is a Christian brother. How much more important, then, that this step be followed. It was not, and now Ken’s site is in serious jeopardy because of Abanes’ bullying tactics.

    I want to address something related here. There is a vast difference between someone giving a theological critique or opinion even in a hostile and unfair way, and someone posting personal attack material that makes moral slurs on your character. There are a number of websites that publish hostile and unfair articles on me on a nearly daily basis. One recently featured two specific lies about me and things I had said. This stuff happens. But when a harassing/stalker individual with a personal axe to grind, who makes no claims to Christianity erects a website with the specific purpose of publishing personal information, spreading innuendo or malicious gossip about one’s personal life, that is plainly another matter altogether. Writing that you strongly disagree with Rick Warren’s man-centered, unbiblical teachings is one thing. Saying that Ingrid is narrow-minded, bigoted and a judgmental hypocrite is one thing. Writing that someone is running a crime syndicate out of their basement or that you heard they had a drinking problem in the past is quite another. The first step, however, still isn’t to call a lawyer, it’s to request that the stuff come down. When you’re told, in obscene terms, to get lost, the next step is to have an advocate draft a letter to let them know that it isn’t a joke. Most of the time, these things never have to make it to a full legal action, and peaceful resolution of the problem should be the focus, not dragging someone to court.

    Richard Abanes often mentions that he is an “established apologist” and a “best-selling author” of many books. How unbelievable that he would go after the small Internet ministry of a brother in Christ in this manner. I believe IPower will delete Apprising Ministries site this evening. In the mean time, those who love Ken and his heart for truth are doing all we can to get his material to a safe place. Ken’s choice was to either knuckle under to Abanes’ demands that he censor his own website of an opinion article, about which he has never been contacted, or be deleted. What a dangerous precedent this is if Abanes succeeds. Every blog that expresses an honest opinion, even a harsh opinion which happens to be protected by the 1st Amendment, is put at risk by behavior like this. I may not like what CRN.info or VerumSerum or the several other sites are saying about me, but they have a right to their opinions, and I’d fight for their right to have a blog.

    In conclusion, I have read an article on Richard’s site where he called a wonderful brother in Christ, Warren Smith, “delusional” and referred to him as paranoid and “traumatized” by his New Age experiences. Abanes has publicly discredited the fine work Warren Smith has done. I have known and watched Warren’s life and work for 15 years and find him to be a man of the finest integrity, wisdom and one with a loving heart from the Lord. It is vicious and nasty slander to refer to a brother in Christ in this fashion. Warren Smith, however, would never think of responding by contacting his ISP. Abanes’ site has articles attacking a number of fellow Christians, and he concludes the attacks with the words, “You have been weighed in the balance and found wanting.” The issue with Apprising Ministries could have been resolved by a phone call. Ken Silva was never given a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sing4Him View Post
    Thanks for posting.. you beat me!


    I do not see any slander or defamation from Ken. I do not understand this accusation.


    The site was up this morning but is now gone. It's hard to believe Richard would do something so nasty and spiteful. I thought he had a small amount of class.

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    This is absolutely unbelievable.

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    Ken can come over here



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sing4Him View Post
    susan-- I'm still getting his site up.
    This morning the site worked for me and now it doesn't... don't know why if others can pull it up...

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    http://www.apprising.org/archives/20..._on_appri.html

    I can get the site with an article about the issue.

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    Satan hates the light being shed on him as do his workers. And a criticism against Warren and his apostate theology is something that needs to be silenced. So they will attack however he can. Just another attempt to silence those that are sounding an alarm against teaching that will turn souls away from Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Final Trumpet View Post
    Satan hates the light being shed on him as do his workers. And a criticism against Warren and his apostate theology is something that needs to be silenced. So they will attack however he can. Just another attempt to silence those that are sounding an alarm against teaching that will turn souls away from Christ.
    Amen!


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    I hope Ken Silva was able to save most of his website before it went down. As for Richard Abanes, I didn't like him very much because of how he used personal attacks against people over Rick Warren and the PDL but to threaten legal action to get rid of a website? That's was really low and a harbinger of what is to come.

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    The site is definitely down now. Nothing on the servers at all.
    Did anyone else read the articles linked to on the other sites? Lighthouse Trails, Calvary Chapel, Wall Street Journal*, etc.?
    Demonic attacks are the only explanation I can come up with. The apostasy of the church is an out of control cancer.
    Come soon Lord Jesus!

    * All I could get on the original WSJ article were dead links (two of which are Silva's site). There are many commentaries on the web about that specific article however.
    Last edited by Steve53; July 27th, 2008 at 09:25 AM.

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    I have apprising ministries located in my favorites browser and tried to go there today and the page is no longer there! Such a shame.
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    I exchanged emails with Ken yesterday. He is confident he will have his site up again on Monday through a different service, a Christian provider that he says will not be so easily intimidated going forward. So praise God for that!

    Pegmo

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    It's now Monday morning and I haven't checked yet. When a pastor gets surrounded by his squad of protection something is terribly wrong. That's one reason we left a church after 11 years, even though he was a strong apologist and expositor. No one in the church should be unaccountable to other brothers and sisters. I pray that Ken can work this all out. If not, be sure that it will be happening more and more. After reading the article on Lighthouse Trails I am more certain than ever that we need to spend time in the Word of God and rely on the Holy Spirit for discernment. The time may come when all of our favorite sites will be removed by the enemy.

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    I do not see any slander or defamation from Ken. I do not understand this accusation.
    Here's the thing. I have not read the article in question. Let's assume (though I doubt it as I know Ken) that it's unbiblical and libelous in the worst way.

    Shouldn't Richard just turn the other cheek? If he doesn't heed the words of our Risen Lord and Savior, who will he heed? I guess the answer is his new savior...Rick Warren...and that's sad as Rick Warren can't save himself much less anyone else.

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    Anyone want to start a campain of letters to the ISP complaining?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcdechagn View Post
    If he doesn't heed the words of our Risen Lord and Savior, who will he heed?
    He is a follower of Rick Warrens apostate gospel, so I doubt he cares what Jesus' words were or what the bible says.

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    Thanks for the article, Sing. I read part of it and bookmarked it for later. I'm sure that I have it in my files as well. This is a sad day for Christianity, in my opinion.

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    Abanes is a very thin-skinned, immature guy (and not just spiritually) with an axe to grind. In the dealings I've had with him, he has been very belligerent and a complete know-it-all. He disparages anything that isn't Purpose-Driven or Warren-ordained. The purpose-driven philosophy (and its origin-the spirit of antichrist) has a very strong hold on him. Only God can open his eyes.


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    What slander? Very long piece but no slander I could find.

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    Will Ken be getting a new host?

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