Seperate Battles, Psalm 83 first, Ezekiel later.
Prayer within a prophecy
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Originally Posted by Christina
the Bible has NEVER been wrong.this is truly a future event.
i think it is very soon too.the entire Middle East is a huge powder keg waiting to explode.it can happen any day.
things even though we don't completely understand them all is being put in place.
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Yup, that's the way I read it. This is prophecy yet future.
And never will be wrong.
i think it is very soon too.the entire Middle East is a huge powder keg waiting to explode.it can happen any day.
Damascus has a very bad evening in its future....and near term I suspect.
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Damascus is referred to as the oldest continuously inhabited city on earth. Whatever befell Damascus in 732 BC, it could not have reduced it to a ruinous heap never to be inhabited again? I agree the Isaiah 17 prophecy remains to be fulfilled.
Y'know, I just had a dilemma here, whether to use thesmiley?
Should we rejoice that the Bible is true and Biblical prophecies are sure, or be sad for the destruction that is coming upon this city?
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The destruction of a single soul is tragic. The destruction of a wide swath of humanity exceeds the bounds of my comprehension.Damascus is referred to as the oldest continuously inhabited city on earth. Whatever befell Damascus in 732 BC, it could not have reduced it to a ruinous heap never to be inhabited again? I agree the Isaiah 17 prophecy remains to be fulfilled.
Y'know, I just had a dilemma here, whether to use the
God is just and righteous, and wishes not that s single soul be condemned.
He made provision for salvation. In fact, He sent His only son to die on the cross for each and every soul.
It is not His fault that pride, idolatry and so forth keep people from seeing the truth and accepting His awesome grace and plan for redemption.
It was not His fault I stumbled to and fro in my life of sin before I finally saw the light and was born again.
Jokingly, sometimes I quip that if there is any one scripture that may not be rock solid truth, it would be Paul's exclamation he was 'chief sinner'. I may have had Paul beat, truth be known.
Regardless, I am a new man in Christ, and the changes that have befallen me are clearly of the Holy Spirit, as I was the thickest headed, most arrogant person one could encounter prior to my coming to Him.
The really awesome and cool thing about this, and the reason I bring this up is that "out there" remain some of the most recalcitrant, hardened seemingly hopeless people.
They are no different than I was, and if God could move me, He can move anyone! Fact!
One of the greatest joys for me is seeing such come to Christ. I will never discount someone as beyond God's reach, beyond the gift of salvation.
Look, even prior Islamic extremists have come to know our precious Savior! Perhaps there are yet innumerable souls yet to be saved in Damascus. We don't know.
Therefore, until the rapture has ended our earthly ministries, we keep marching, with each passing second a demonstration of His unmatched patience and grace.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.
Damascus is still called DamascusIt has been "conquered" by any number of enemies, and still remains "Damascus". The Syrian city of Arpad, did not surrender so easily. It took Tiglath-pileser three years of siege to conquer Arpad, then he massacred the inhabitants and destroyed the city.In 732 he advanced upon Damascus, first devastating the gardens outside the city and then conquering the capital and killing the king, whom he replaced with a governor. Damascus continued to be a city. I bring up this point because God, in His Word makes it very clear in Isaiah 17:
• Damascus will not be "conquered" , but rather no longer ever to be a city again.
Isaiah 17:1
1.The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
• It took time for Tiglath-pileser to conquer Damascus. God, in His Word, again makes it very clear. Damascus will be there in the morning, and then gone by that evening. Gone in one day.
Isaiah 17:14
14.And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us.
Isaiah 17:1 - Complete destruction of Damascus.
Isaiah 17:2 - Jordan
2.The cities of Aroer are forsaken: they shall be for flocks, which shall lie down, and none shall make them afraid.
(Aroer is a region on the northern bank of the Arnon River in what is today Jordan. In Moses day, it marked the southern boundary of the territory given to the two and a half tribes who received their land inheritance on the east side of the Jordan River. Aroer was in the territory of Reuben. There was another Aroer in the territory of Gad, near Rabbah. Rabbah is today called Amman, capital of Jordan.)
“The cities of Aroer are forsaken “ they are gone. The "flocks that will lie down " in safety - with Damascus, Amman, and the PA gone, they, "the flocks" - the Israeli's, will feel "safe", in their small portion of reclaimed ancient land once more."none shall make them afraid", because they're gone! They flee to Jordan at the Mid-Trib.
Isaiah 17:3
3.The fortress also shall cease from Ephraim, and the kingdom from Damascus, and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the LORD of hosts.
The land of the tribe of Ephraim sits in the middle of the "West Bank". The "fortresses"" in Isaiah 17 verse 3, the terrorist strongholds that are eliminated.
The final statement " and the remnant of Syria: they shall be as the glory of the children of Israel, saith the Lord of hosts", is a strong statement of the judgment against Syria. Isaiah was writing during the time that the Assyrians had devastated the northern 10 Tribes of Israel. Isaiah is saying that Syria will experience the same that they did to Israel.
Psalm 83 - The first part is conspiracy "talk", there is no action. The second half is a Prayer, that is answered in Isaiah 17.
The Prayer
Psalm 83:13
13. O my God, make them like a wheel; as the stubble before the wind.
The Prayer Answered
Isaiah 17:13
13. The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
Great points/summary.
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One of the greatest joys for me is seeing such come to Christ. I will never discount someone as beyond God's reach, beyond the gift of salvation.
Look, even prior Islamic extremists have come to know our precious Savior! Perhaps there are yet innumerable souls yet to be saved in Damascus. We don't know.
Therefore, until the rapture has ended our earthly ministries, we keep marching, with each passing second a demonstration of His unmatched patience and grace.
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Loads of good information concerning Isaiah 17 and Psalm 83 by Bill Salus here:
http://www.prophecydepot.com/
When I got saved and got interested in bible prophecy in the early 1980's, I'd never had any teaching or read anything concerning Isaiah 17 or Psalm 83. It wasn't until I rededicated my life to the Lord and found RR and RF that I first heard about them. But since then, I've heard and read a great deal about them. By reading both Isaiah 17 and Psalm 83, it looks to me to be a future event also. But God is God and whatever does or doesn't happen is according to His will.
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Here are 2 more good places for your question about Psalm 83
http://www.raptureready.com/soap/psalm83-1.html
http://www.raptureready.com/soap/psalm83-2.html
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Many prophecies have dual fulfillments; e.g. Antiochus Epiphanes desecrated the Temple, but Jesus referred to another future desecration (the antichrist). Damascus has never been so thoroughly destroyed that it ceased to be a city. I think Isaiah 17 is yet future. Perhaps it will be so contaminated by nuclear fallout that it will be too dangerous to live there. Only God knows for sure how it will play out. But I think when He says Damascus will be removed from being a city and will become a fallen ruin, that means it will no longer be a city. Now it is a city. So either it has not happened yet or Isaiah was wrong when he said Damascus is about to be removed from being a city. Did he mean it would cease to be a city and then would be rebuilt?We should be observant and watch carefully.
Ready to go.
Gog and Magog- when?
It seems that many folks think this war is very close at hand, but doesn't scripture say that it will happen when Israel feels safe and secure?
Seems like the only time Israel will feel that way is during the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation after that treaty is confirmed...or am I missing something?
Right now Israel is living in peace and safety (the Bible doesn't say secure) 1 Thes. 5:3 ~ "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. The Bible doesn't mean that there will be no countries wanting to come against her and destroy her. The reason that Israel is living in peace and safety right now is not because of other nations but because of their own military's ability to protect the nation. It's not about the covenent but about Israel's ability to live peacefully and safely and she is doing that right now.....not because of a covenent but because of her own ability to protect herself.
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To add to what Christina said, In the Footsteps of the Messiah I was reading the other day that this could also mean Israel is confident. They are more confident now than ever in their history.
If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have charity, I am nothing. 1 Co 13:2
Exactly. I'm reading the book too...lol
"Safe and secure" is a state of mind for Israel. Gods Word in Ezekiel 38:11 says first and foremost, "that are at rest" comma, followed by "dwell safely". Often the Scripture quoting "peace and safety" from 1 Thes. 5:3 is referred to in conjunction with Ezekiel 38:11. However, Paul in 1 Thes., is speaking to the Jews during the Trib., and this is not a reference or connection with Ezekiel 38.Tom in TN - It seems that many folks think this war is very close at hand, but doesn't scripture say that it will happen when Israel feels safe and secure?
Seems like the only time Israel will feel that way is during the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation after that treaty is confirmed...or am I missing something?
We know Isaiah 17 will precede Ezekiel 38, and Isaiah 17 is not just the destruction of Damascus. It is also the destruction of Jordan, and the West Bank. In addition, it will involve the immediate nations surrounding Israel that God "rebukes" and "they shall flee a far off". In the aftermath of Isaiah 17, Gods Word tells us that He allows Israel to have barely survived, and why He has allowed this to happen to them. Israel will be attempting to recover, completely isolated, with no means of defense left. This sets the stage for the Ezekiel invasion. Israel will be "at rest", recovering from the horrific multiple fronted war of Isaiah 17, and with the threat from the nations surrounding Israel nullified (see also Ezekiel Chapters 25-32), Israel will feel they are "dwelling safely".
Ezekiel 38:11
11.And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
Isaiah 17 followed by Ezekiel 38…back to back events...next up...Isaiah 17...When?...just turn on the news...
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Just a thought: I've read that Israel has contemplated every possible scenario for its survival as a nation, and already knows it will use what I've heard referred to as 'the nuclear option' if necessary before she will give up her nationhood. In other words, she will take out as many as she can before she goes down. Having a plan in place gives one confidence, even when the plan includes one's own demise. Normally, indecision is what makes one feel insecure. Now, we and other Bible-believing Christians and Jews know God will not let Israel go down. So, maybe the seculars are confident in their plan, and the God-fearing Jews are trusting in Almighty God, so confidence or 'peace and safety' abounds in Israel.
Ph 3:15 (paraphrased):...And if on some point you and I think differently, that too God will make clear to us. Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
Tom in TNI believe this war on the horizon is a precursor to WWIII, Israel and US attacking Iran and possibly Syria will set the stage for Gog’s invasion of Israel, Muslim nations will want revenge. This coming war appears to be “imminent” and a threat to world peace. The word “imminent” applies to danger or evil that hangs over one’s head ready to fall at any moment, not the expectation of something good happening.It seems that many folks think this war is very close at hand, but doesn't scripture say that it will happen when Israel feels safe and secure?
Seems like the only time Israel will feel that way is during the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation after that treaty is confirmed...or am I missing something?
Presently Israel is not feeling safe and secure, if they were, they wouldn’t be preparing for war. Since 1948 Israel has never been at ease with her neighbors who want to eliminate them from the face of the earth. Israel will feel safe and secure just prior to Gog’s invasion:
Eze 38:11 - You will say, “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people - all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.
14 - Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day (day of the Lord) when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?
I really believe confirmation of the treaty is what’s needed to create peace and safety in the Middle East, the same peace and safety of 1 Thess 5:3. This peace suddenly comes to an end with Gog’s invasion, it is partial fulfillment of the red horse taking peace from the earth (Rev. 6:3-4).
Jer. 4:9-10
In that day (day of the Lord), declares the LORD, the king (Israel’s Prime Minister) and the officials will lose heart, the priests (of the third temple) will be horrified, and the prophets will be appalled
Then I said, “Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, you will have (false) peace, when the sword (of the Antichrist and Muslims) is at our throats.
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This sounds right..... "at rest"..... ..... from what?....... rest from Isaiah 17....
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