November 2nd, 2008, 06:31 PM
I think that the concept of the revived Roman empire is not geographic in nature.
At its time the Roman empire was the major political, economic and military power in the world.
At the moment the world is going through a transfer of such powers from the USA to China. 10 years ago the USA was the major power in the world in 10 years time it will be China.
So my view of the revived Roman empire is changing as the world changes
November 5th, 2008, 06:06 PM
What does this group think of the a/c being an Assyrian? There is an article at the beginning of RR site by Rodrigo Silva...."Assyria the Nation of the A/C" Interesting....
November 26th, 2008, 06:23 PM
Does anyone else think the BLUE in that last map looks like a horse? it sure does to me.
Last edited by Kays; November 26th, 2008 at 09:38 PM.
November 26th, 2008, 09:26 PM
I think it makes total sense that Satan would parallel the Bible in the Koran.....how better to deceive than to twist God's word just a bit to keep the Muslims in line with his wishes.
As far as the Assyrian bit...I just read a scripture today that stood out and made me wonder if it was referring to the antichrist Micah 5: 5-6
I've never seen anything mentioned on this scripture but it....I found it interesting the use of the words 'we will raise against him seven shepherds, even eight leaders of men. They will rule the land of Assyria with the sword, the land of Nimrod with drawn sword.'.....the use of the seven and the eight...isn't there reference of this in Revelation?
If anyone has insight I would love to hear it :0)
November 26th, 2008, 11:16 PM
The land of Nimrod is Iraq
Originally Posted by mom2four
November 30th, 2008, 08:19 AM
Islam not the A.C.'s empire
I don't believe the final empire will be Islamic, but indeed, out of the old Roman Empire, as nicely shown in these maps. My reason for this is that I believe the Ezekiel 38-39 Gog-Magog war will be the death-knell of Islam, its utter destruction.
"And they shall know that I (Yahweh, not Allah) am the Lord."
For those who are curious, I believe that World War III (of Rev 6's 2nd Seal, the rider on the red horse given a great sword to take peace from the earth) is time-slot when the Gog-Magog war takes place inside the 7-year Tribulation.
November 30th, 2008, 09:40 AM
It is Israel who will wake up and KNOW "I am the Lord".
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.
December 2nd, 2008, 10:00 AM
As to the revived Roman Empire, it will be "part iron and part clay." That is, part old Rome/EU and part Muslim. It will be weak because the 2 cultures/religions never completely "mix" but the EU side will be, and actually now is, "infused" with the Muslim culture such that some countries are beginning to allow them to be governed by their own Sharia law! ("Clay," BTW, represents the descendants of Abraham, some of which were molded to honor and some to dishonor.) This is the pretrib buildup to the midtrib reunification of the Eastern and Western portions of the Empire.
At midtrib, we know that the fp makes an image of the AC and places it in the temple (Rev 13). This is the point at which the empire is reunified under AC and resembles those maps that were posted earlier.
Last edited by Sing4Him; December 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 AM.
Reason: Rule 13
December 2nd, 2008, 10:36 AM
December 2nd, 2008, 06:05 PM
Daniel's vision, beginning at Daniel 2:40 There are a number of others that support but that begins it.
Originally Posted by spooky
Check the main site here.
December 3rd, 2008, 07:06 PM
Look at the Daniel 2 passage again. The empires are:
Originally Posted by spooky
4 Roman. The 4th is Iron. Then Iron, mixed with clay, implying a reformation.
Did you read the article from the main site I linked?
December 4th, 2008, 04:28 PM
December 10th, 2008, 08:57 PM
I think Rev 17:9-11 shows the antichrist will come from the Ottoman empire not the Roman empire!
December 10th, 2008, 11:18 PM
Javier Solana EU Sec. General speaking at some college. Dunno if anyone has ever heard of this guy or not.
December 25th, 2008, 06:43 PM
No, I do not believe that the revived Roman Empire is the US. In Daniel's interpretation of king Nebuchadnezzar's dream all these kingdoms have had something in common. (Daniel 2:37-45) They had control of Israel and they were all located in the middle east area. Why would that change just because we are in the last days?
Originally Posted by havencanes
Cool maps Buzzard, thanks for posting them.
December 30th, 2008, 11:58 PM
I hate to be negative but the US will someday, maybe even in 2009, fall. Everybody says that China or India is going to take its place but the matter of fact is that China and India may fall as well when the US fall. They have more money invested in the US dollar and economy then the EU. EU will rise and be the world's next superpower.
The Antichrist has to be a Jew because the Jews will not receive a Gentile as their promised Messiah. Jesus predicted that Israel will someday foolishly receive the Antichrist as their saviour. "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive"(John 5:43).
Plus in Dan 11:37 it says "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers." Although the verse could mean any deity, the wording strongly matches Jewish heritage of faith in God.
December 31st, 2008, 10:41 AM
I have always thought the U.S. needed to fall as well, since little if any mention of us is in Scripture. With the incoming administration a pacifist foreign policy and an unwillingness to involve ourselves in Israel's defence could be a possible explanation.
December 31st, 2008, 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by The Watchtower
I believe you are looking in the wrong place.
And what did Esau do? Didn't he abandon the God of his fathers (Abraham and Shem).
Why do you think there were twins? (Jacob & Esau)
The Christ came from Jacob.
The "anti-christ" will come from Esau.
Malachi 1:2 I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
January 2nd, 2009, 01:51 AM
Slovakia became on January 1st 2009, the 16th nation to join the Eurozone and by doing so accepting and putting its trust into the Euro as its official currency.
The EU is becoming by the day stronger, and it won't be long before the Gulf States (The OPEC) drop the dollar to have their own currency or our adopt the Euro.
Some people are even foreseeing the world recession turning into a world depression in 2010.
January 2nd, 2009, 01:54 AM
Sophia, do you really think that the Jews would allow a man to build, inaugurate and walk thru the most holy places of the Temple while being a gentile?
Originally Posted by Sophia Hokmot