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    Is there anyone here familiar with the Amish?

    They seem to be such godly people. Their bible is the original Luther German bible (or is this what they use as official scripture...which many of them don't understand ) . And it seems rules and following the law are extemely important, and I'm wondering where Grace comes in. I've heard that some of the younger Amish are now reading other versions of the bible and are starting to "move away from the faith".

    My question is: Are the Amish true Christians and are the younger members just falling into the trap of the emergent church?

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    They would only be Biblical Christians if they preach repentant faith in Jesus and by being born-again of the Holy Spirit.

    To my knowledge, and I may be mistaken, they dont do these things, rather, they are lawkeepers. Very legalistic and "religious".

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    The Amish actually have a lot in common with evangelical Christians, but they do have a few traits to their faith that vary from ours as follows:

    They don't believe salvation is guaranteed, in fact they consider that attitude arrogant.

    They believe that their church has received the authority from God to interpret his will. "Submission to church is submission to God" is one of their rules.

    They do not believe in evangelizing, in fact they avoid associating with "The English" (IE, anyone that isn't part of their group).


    You probably know about the lifestyle differences they practice (marrying only within the group, not using electricity, etc.) They do believe in atonement through Christ, the virgin birth, the Bible is the word of God, etc. So I don't lump them into the "cult" category, they're just a particularly unusual (conservative) branch of Christianity.

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    Daughter, you said the Amish seem to be godly people. I worked in a factory that was majority Amish in Northern Indiana. I can assure you, godly is not a term I would have used. They cussed, smoke and drank like many non-Amish that lived in the area. They used to constantly talk bad about us "English". Most guys didn't know it, though, because they were speaking in their native tongue, which is a variation of German. Fortunately, I took German in high school, so I could understand them a bit. They always seemed to be a bit hypocritical about the whole abstaining from modern conveniences thing. They would ride in your car if you would pick them up. They would rent or lease a tractor to plow their fields. They would use power equipment. Some even kept mortgaging their homes so they could keep electricity. Seems the rational was, if the bank owned the house, it was okay for them to use the electricity. Basically, as long as they didn't "own" a modern convenience, it was okay for them to use it. I also remember a big party got busted in a barn with 200 Amish teens. Many of them were charged with illegal consumption and possession of drugs. Basically, the Amish are really no different than anybody else, sinners in need of a Savior.
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    I have always wondered these things also. Isn't it the Amish as well as the LDS that stay away from modern conveniences as well? They won't ever talk on camera? I also think they SEEM very Godly I just don't know the difference. Are these two connected in some way?

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    I love electricity...and indoor plumbing....and driving my car....and lots of other modern conveniences. I wouldn't be happy being amish.

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    the Amish and also the Mennonite people i have seen have been very nice and polite.i always thought of them as God's people.
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    Having lived on an Old Amish farm for well over 6 years, I have first-hand experience with this cult. I believe they are a cult because they cut themselves off from the outside world, church elders enact and enforce social laws, members are forced to abide by social rules or they’re shunned or excommunicated, members are required to give complete loyalty to being Amish, and children are brainwashed to believe their way of life is better than the “fancy” folk. Therefore, children are taught to shun worldly things, including associations with non-Amish children. The best way I know how to describe it is social engineering.

    Are they really a religious and peaceful people behind closed doors? The answer is emphatically and unequivocally, no! They put on a good act for the public, but they are far from peaceful and religious.

    Religion

    Their church elders are selected by drawing lots, and not because of their knowledge of Scripture. They have no formal theology training, so the majority of what they preach is solely social behavior, and not God’s Word. Church services are held every other Sunday rotating amongst the homes of their members. They cart the benches back and forth. I was invited to service, but because it was conducted in Amish (or what is known as high German), I was unable to understand anything. This is one way they cut themselves off from the outside world. Over the several years I lived there, I attempted many times to engage the Amish in religious talks. For how religious they act, it would seem that they would enjoy talking about their beliefs, but they don’t. They will do everything in their power to divert conversation to something other than religion. Despite that, I was successful in getting several of the Amish, who I had befriended, to open up. I was told that while they do believe in salvation through faith, they also believe that good works is mandatory for eternal life in heaven. Each person told me that it would be “prideful” to think they knew they were going to heaven. When I pressed this subject, and quoted some Bible verses that contradicted their “good works” belief, I was always met with the same phrase that they trusted their elders to not lead them astray. Sadly, but not surprisingly, they were most familiar with Biblical verses that pertained to their social behavior and dress rather than salvation. I found their religious teachings to be equivalent to the Catholics, and that is if it suits the agenda of the elders, then it’s preached, and if not, then it’s never mentioned. Over the years, I surmised that diversion tactics, to avoid religious discussions, were used because they know very little about what they believe, and why. They’re told what to believe and how to act, and no questioning takes place because they are taught those actions would be both rebellious and prideful, which in turn is sinful.

    Abuse

    During the years I spent with them, I unfortunately witnessed numerous abusive situations towards women, children and animals. Women have no say, whatsoever, on financial or other important matters. If the lady of the house said something “out-of-line,” the man of the house was quick to put her in her place with either a sharp look or a tongue lashing, regardless of who was present. I can only imagine what took place behind closed doors. Being a woman, the Amish men spoke down to me like I was stupid or unworthy of being spoken to respectfully. Babies were pinched as punishment for not remaining quiet in church, and very young children were beaten. If tourists ever wonder why Amish children are so well behaved, it’s because they are physically abused into silence. I always wondered how Amish children (I’m talking 1 - 2 year olds) were never hit by cars because they are always standing, unattended, by the edge of the road. Well, I witnessed the raising of Amish children and saw these tots severely beaten each time they took a step off their property. The mother actually took them out for training sessions as one would do with a small puppy and watched for them to make a move off the property line. Very severe beatings ensured that the child would learn quickly not to step onto the road again, and the training continued until the child associated the property line with pain. Not only were the beatings harsh, but also the children were too young to understand what they were being set-up for, and didn’t understand what not to do. Beatings were not just reserved for young children, but older children were also beaten for minor infractions. Sexual abuse and incest is prevalent amongst Amish girls by Amish men and teenage boys. The girls have nobody to turn to. They would be beaten into silence if they told their mothers, and being cut off from the outside world, there is no help for them. I witnessed many cases of animal abuse, including the building of a puppy mill on our property, which was located in a flood zone that is well known by them to actually flood annually. The dogs were underfed, overcrowded, never played with, stood on wire, and their living conditions were filthy. One Amish farmer, that we shared land with, took a dog - who barked too much – behind the barn and repeatedly shot it with a BB gun until it died as punishment. Their barn cat was found to have rabies. The Amish also stick pipes down the throats of their breeder dogs, and knock their voice boxes out with a hammer, so they can’t bark. They are only a dollar to them, and nothing more. The horses were beaten when they could not walk on the icy roads, but they weren’t shoed.

    Education

    They refuse to teach their children to speak English until they’re five. German is their first language, and this is one way to isolate the children from the outside world. After they start school, they learn English in an Amish private one-room schoolhouse. This may seem “quaint” to a tourist, but it’s not. This is another way to isolate growing children from the outside, and brainwash them into staying in the cult. Children are forced to quit school, against their will in most cases, after they finish 8th grade. The boys are taught a career in farming, and the girls are taught how to be homemakers. Education beyond that age level is considered prideful and it’s forbidden. With no education beyond 8th grade, they ensure that their children will not be equipped to have a chance to succeed in the outside world. When a child is older, they are permitted to engage in a few worldly activities like swimming and going out. Additionally, they encourage them to throw drug and booze parties in the barn to “sow their wild” oats before joining the church. Once a decision to join the church is made, the worldly fun is over. No swimming, amusement park rides, flying in planes, and so forth. If they decide to not join the church, their family and the Amish community shun them. To make a decision to lose your family, and the only security (however abusive) you know, is not an easy one, especially when you have to make a decision to leave your siblings behind or stay in a cult. This is another way they maintain control over older Amish teens and very young adults.

    Other

    There are too many things to mention, but some things have already been said here, and they are true. They aren’t permitted to buy cars or anything with rubber tires, but they constantly nag their neighbors for rides to the store and chiropractor. Once they have you in the car, they ask to stop at numerous unplanned locations, and they talk in German with each other (which is quite rude) so you can’t understand them – totally ignoring you. You are merely a “driver” to them. They aren’t permitted to have electricity in their homes, but they sneak electricity in their barns so they can work more efficiently. The farmer we shared the land with used the mill to generate electricity and sold the electricity to the electric company for profit. They aren’t permitted to have telephones in their homes, but they are allowed to have them outside in the barn or shed. All these ordinances and prohibitions are geared toward social engineering, and isolation, to control them. Many of these prohibitions are made under the guise of the activity being prideful, such as children playing musical instruments. Therefore, individual creativity is squashed. They also inbreed, which creates rare genetic diseases in their children, and refuse real medical treatment for their children until it’s too late in some cases. As a side note, the authorities have been called to investigate over and over when abuses are witnessed, including violations of child labor laws. Rarely anything is done because they bring in millions of dollars in tourist money to our local economy. Sad, but true.

    There are some good things I see in the Amish. They are very polite to people they are forced to speak with in the outside world, but of course they depend on the tourists for money in many instances. They work very hard, but of course they have nothing else to do with their time. They have a real sense of community, and take care of their old, but then again...how could they not since the community is their cult? They are fantastic farmers, cooks, and craftsmen. They also financially support the outside causes that benefit them, such as the fire company.

    I took the time to type this out not because I want to bash them, but to raise awareness about this human rights issue that’s passed off as quaint and worthy of emulation. If you’d like to help, there are many ways. Here’s a link to a website of an Amish woman who escaped when she was a teen. She set this up to raise awareness and to help other Amish women who don’t have anywhere else to turn for help. If you click on her blog, you can read more about what is was like to grow up Amish.

    http://www.tkbventures.com/index.php...d=13&Itemid=26

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    Matthew 9:12 (NASB)

    But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick.

    There are two types of people that seem Godly. Those who realize they're sick and have asked the Great Physician to heal them, and those who "aren't sick."
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    For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

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    As in every differentiatable group of people, it isn't the group that it boils down to but the individual. Some have probably become true believers, others not. Many of the first generation groups who came to America were very Godly. Things often took a quick turn for the worse as soon as the second generation. the culture of the group is slow to change, but the hearts of men become hardened.
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    I agree with most of what you said, excepting the electricity/phone in barns and outer buildings.

    In PA, the law states that any working dairy or farm must have electricity and a phone on premises. Here in PA, they usually put the electric and phone in the barn to keep within the law.

    Amish are exempted from Social Security taxes, but they also do not receive benefits. I do find that one of the nice things about their community is this, they take care of their elders and do not need to rely on the government for their care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    Amish are exempted from Social Security taxes, but they also do not receive benefits. I do find that one of the nice things about their community is this, they take care of their elders and do not need to rely on the government for their care.
    I did not know that. I'd like to be exempt from social security...especially since there is no expectiation that it'll be around by the time I reach the age to draw on it...

    http://www.irs.gov/publications/p517/ar02.html
    Election by Church Employees Who Are Opposed to Social Security and Medicare
    You may be able to choose to be exempt from social security and Medicare taxes, including the SE tax, if you work for a church (or church-controlled nonprofit division) that does not pay the employer's part of the social security tax on wages. You can make the choice if you are a member of a religious sect or division opposed to social security and Medicare. This exemption does not apply to your service, if any, as a minister of a church or as a member of a religious order.

    You can make this choice by filing Form 4029. See Requesting exemption—Form 4029, later, under Members of Recognized Religious Sects.
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    For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    Everlasting Peace

    I agree with most of what you said, excepting the electricity/phone in barns and outer buildings.

    In PA, the law states that any working dairy or farm must have electricity and a phone on premises. Here in PA, they usually put the electric and phone in the barn to keep within the law.

    Amish are exempted from Social Security taxes, but they also do not receive benefits. I do find that one of the nice things about their community is this, they take care of their elders and do not need to rely on the government for their care.
    I didn't realize it was state law that they must have telephones and electricity if they have a working dairy or farm, but it makes sense. The property that I was on was divided amongst three families. The family I was talking about (as I said above) had their electricity in the barn and telephone in a shed, but they were not a dairy farm or working farm in the sense I think you mean. He's a carpenter and sneaks it for his power tools. They told us many times that they used air powered tools, but one day while in the barn (not an animal barn), I saw the electricity. He seemed embarrassed by it, maybe because he had lied, but I couldn't have cared less except I didn't see why he went through great lengths to deceive us to begin with. Their home didn't have electricity in it, so I don't understand what the big deal was. The other family on the land did have a dairy farm. I suppose they had electricity in their barn, as well.

    I also agree with the nice things you said about their community. I'm here in PA with you, and the farms are (for the most part) well-kept and gorgeous, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fracturedInfinity View Post
    I did not know that. I'd like to be exempt from social security...especially since there is no expectiation that it'll be around by the time I reach the age to draw on it...

    http://www.irs.gov/publications/p517/ar02.html
    Me too! If you're self-employed, you can request to be exempt from paying social security taxes for religious reasons, but since those religious reasons would be a falsehood for me, I can't very well do it.

    Some other information - A lot of people don't know how the Amish heat and light their homes. They use gas powered sources, namely propane. There are various reasons spread around as to why, but what I was told by the Amish is that the electric companies need to work 24/7, and for propane, they don't need to use that public utility on Sunday since propane can be delivered during the week. It was the same reason they gave for ordering the paper 6 days a week only - minus Sunday.

    The propane lamps are scary, in my opinion. They make a terrible hissing sound, but give off a surprising amount of light. They use gas powered washing machines, and hang their clothes to dry. They use propane gas and coal stoves to heat their homes. It's very toasty in their houses.

    Again, this is the Old Order Amish I'm speaking about. I'm sure there are some variances, but the majority of homes I've visited were all heated the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tall Timbers View Post
    As in every differentiatable group of people, it isn't the group that it boils down to but the individual. Some have probably become true believers, others not. Many of the first generation groups who came to America were very Godly. Things often took a quick turn for the worse as soon as the second generation. the culture of the group is slow to change, but the hearts of men become hardened.
    Also-as we all know-just b/c we *seem* to know our best of friends inside and out...in some cases, there's some things we REALLY DON'T know about them. Alot like those occassional stories over lawyers and other long time successful people who seem to be happily family men-on a flick of the moment, they snap, kill their family, and then point the guns at themselves.

    Really-ever since I joined RR, this site has opened my eyes in a big way over alot of these false prophets who I thought were the best thing since sliced bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Compatriot G View Post
    Daughter, you said the Amish seem to be godly people. I worked in a factory that was majority Amish in Northern Indiana. I can assure you, godly is not a term I would have used. They cussed, smoke and drank like many non-Amish that lived in the area. They used to constantly talk bad about us "English". Most guys didn't know it, though, because they were speaking in their native tongue, which is a variation of German. Fortunately, I took German in high school, so I could understand them a bit. They always seemed to be a bit hypocritical about the whole abstaining from modern conveniences thing. They would ride in your car if you would pick them up. They would rent or lease a tractor to plow their fields. They would use power equipment. Some even kept mortgaging their homes so they could keep electricity. Seems the rational was, if the bank owned the house, it was okay for them to use the electricity. Basically, as long as they didn't "own" a modern convenience, it was okay for them to use it. I also remember a big party got busted in a barn with 200 Amish teens. Many of them were charged with illegal consumption and possession of drugs. Basically, the Amish are really no different than anybody else, sinners in need of a Savior.
    Thank you. They are. They are bound by their law. I see it now.

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    You may also want to look up the following:

    Anabaptist
    Mennonite
    Bretheren (Church of the-)
    Dunkhard Bretheren
    Amish

    There is a lot connected between these sects and it can change from church to church:
    - black bumper, a little chrome ok,- no phone, cell phone ok, diesel engines to generate thier own power, electriciy to barn only, air powered tools, steel rimed wheels - no rubber or some rubber, top collar buttoned, no ties. doilie head covering, total head covering, radio but no tv.......

    It can get confusing, however I have encountered several good points,

    They are frugal, pacifists, shunn worldliness, industrious, Godly, benevolent, clean, kind, ....


    Yes, they have their bad apples too, and sometimes stay disconnected from their neighbors. But I enjoy their fellowship and we talk of the Bible openly. Some of their business play scripture songs, and all normally have gospel tracts near the door. They use KJV most of the time.

    Many are contractors and do excellent work at lower rates because they insure themselves. There is a sense of family and brotherhood not found in many "christian churches". There are extremes that uses buggies - horses - mules only (most Amish and some Mennonite) to fully mechanized farms with big tractors.

    They rely on the Bible for their daily living. Again, some go to a legalistic extreme like some baptists churches, and shunning is not uncommon. And some groups are pure cults and differ little from JWs or Mormons having false teachings and membership control.

    One of the greatest things is they fear God and seek to do His will. From outpourings of care when neighbors suffer, to living plainly.

    You really need to get to know individuals to really appreciate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Everlasting Peace View Post
    Having lived on an Old Amish farm for well over 6 years, I have first-hand experience with this cult. I believe they are a cult because they cut themselves off from the outside world, church elders enact and enforce social laws, members are forced to abide by social rules or they’re shunned or excommunicated, members are required to give complete loyalty to being Amish, and children are brainwashed to believe their way of life is better than the “fancy” folk. Therefore, children are taught to shun worldly things, including associations with non-Amish children. The best way I know how to describe it is social engineering.

    Are they really a religious and peaceful people behind closed doors? The answer is emphatically and unequivocally, no! They put on a good act for the public, but they are far from peaceful and religious.

    Religion

    Their church elders are selected by drawing lots, and not because of their knowledge of Scripture. They have no formal theology training, so the majority of what they preach is solely social behavior, and not God’s Word. Church services are held every other Sunday rotating amongst the homes of their members. They cart the benches back and forth. I was invited to service, but because it was conducted in Amish (or what is known as high German), I was unable to understand anything. This is one way they cut themselves off from the outside world. Over the several years I lived there, I attempted many times to engage the Amish in religious talks. For how religious they act, it would seem that they would enjoy talking about their beliefs, but they don’t. They will do everything in their power to divert conversation to something other than religion. Despite that, I was successful in getting several of the Amish, who I had befriended, to open up. I was told that while they do believe in salvation through faith, they also believe that good works is mandatory for eternal life in heaven. Each person told me that it would be “prideful” to think they knew they were going to heaven. When I pressed this subject, and quoted some Bible verses that contradicted their “good works” belief, I was always met with the same phrase that they trusted their elders to not lead them astray. Sadly, but not surprisingly, they were most familiar with Biblical verses that pertained to their social behavior and dress rather than salvation. I found their religious teachings to be equivalent to the Catholics, and that is if it suits the agenda of the elders, then it’s preached, and if not, then it’s never mentioned. Over the years, I surmised that diversion tactics, to avoid religious discussions, were used because they know very little about what they believe, and why. They’re told what to believe and how to act, and no questioning takes place because they are taught those actions would be both rebellious and prideful, which in turn is sinful.

    Abuse

    During the years I spent with them, I unfortunately witnessed numerous abusive situations towards women, children and animals. Women have no say, whatsoever, on financial or other important matters. If the lady of the house said something “out-of-line,” the man of the house was quick to put her in her place with either a sharp look or a tongue lashing, regardless of who was present. I can only imagine what took place behind closed doors. Being a woman, the Amish men spoke down to me like I was stupid or unworthy of being spoken to respectfully. Babies were pinched as punishment for not remaining quiet in church, and very young children were beaten. If tourists ever wonder why Amish children are so well behaved, it’s because they are physically abused into silence. I always wondered how Amish children (I’m talking 1 - 2 year olds) were never hit by cars because they are always standing, unattended, by the edge of the road. Well, I witnessed the raising of Amish children and saw these tots severely beaten each time they took a step off their property. The mother actually took them out for training sessions as one would do with a small puppy and watched for them to make a move off the property line. Very severe beatings ensured that the child would learn quickly not to step onto the road again, and the training continued until the child associated the property line with pain. Not only were the beatings harsh, but also the children were too young to understand what they were being set-up for, and didn’t understand what not to do. Beatings were not just reserved for young children, but older children were also beaten for minor infractions. Sexual abuse and incest is prevalent amongst Amish girls by Amish men and teenage boys. The girls have nobody to turn to. They would be beaten into silence if they told their mothers, and being cut off from the outside world, there is no help for them. I witnessed many cases of animal abuse, including the building of a puppy mill on our property, which was located in a flood zone that is well known by them to actually flood annually. The dogs were underfed, overcrowded, never played with, stood on wire, and their living conditions were filthy. One Amish farmer, that we shared land with, took a dog - who barked too much – behind the barn and repeatedly shot it with a BB gun until it died as punishment. Their barn cat was found to have rabies. The Amish also stick pipes down the throats of their breeder dogs, and knock their voice boxes out with a hammer, so they can’t bark. They are only a dollar to them, and nothing more. The horses were beaten when they could not walk on the icy roads, but they weren’t shoed.

    Education

    They refuse to teach their children to speak English until they’re five. German is their first language, and this is one way to isolate the children from the outside world. After they start school, they learn English in an Amish private one-room schoolhouse. This may seem “quaint” to a tourist, but it’s not. This is another way to isolate growing children from the outside, and brainwash them into staying in the cult. Children are forced to quit school, against their will in most cases, after they finish 8th grade. The boys are taught a career in farming, and the girls are taught how to be homemakers. Education beyond that age level is considered prideful and it’s forbidden. With no education beyond 8th grade, they ensure that their children will not be equipped to have a chance to succeed in the outside world. When a child is older, they are permitted to engage in a few worldly activities like swimming and going out. Additionally, they encourage them to throw drug and booze parties in the barn to “sow their wild” oats before joining the church. Once a decision to join the church is made, the worldly fun is over. No swimming, amusement park rides, flying in planes, and so forth. If they decide to not join the church, their family and the Amish community shun them. To make a decision to lose your family, and the only security (however abusive) you know, is not an easy one, especially when you have to make a decision to leave your siblings behind or stay in a cult. This is another way they maintain control over older Amish teens and very young adults.

    Other

    There are too many things to mention, but some things have already been said here, and they are true. They aren’t permitted to buy cars or anything with rubber tires, but they constantly nag their neighbors for rides to the store and chiropractor. Once they have you in the car, they ask to stop at numerous unplanned locations, and they talk in German with each other (which is quite rude) so you can’t understand them – totally ignoring you. You are merely a “driver” to them. They aren’t permitted to have electricity in their homes, but they sneak electricity in their barns so they can work more efficiently. The farmer we shared the land with used the mill to generate electricity and sold the electricity to the electric company for profit. They aren’t permitted to have telephones in their homes, but they are allowed to have them outside in the barn or shed. All these ordinances and prohibitions are geared toward social engineering, and isolation, to control them. Many of these prohibitions are made under the guise of the activity being prideful, such as children playing musical instruments. Therefore, individual creativity is squashed. They also inbreed, which creates rare genetic diseases in their children, and refuse real medical treatment for their children until it’s too late in some cases. As a side note, the authorities have been called to investigate over and over when abuses are witnessed, including violations of child labor laws. Rarely anything is done because they bring in millions of dollars in tourist money to our local economy. Sad, but true.

    There are some good things I see in the Amish. They are very polite to people they are forced to speak with in the outside world, but of course they depend on the tourists for money in many instances. They work very hard, but of course they have nothing else to do with their time. They have a real sense of community, and take care of their old, but then again...how could they not since the community is their cult? They are fantastic farmers, cooks, and craftsmen. They also financially support the outside causes that benefit them, such as the fire company.

    I took the time to type this out not because I want to bash them, but to raise awareness about this human rights issue that’s passed off as quaint and worthy of emulation. If you’d like to help, there are many ways. Here’s a link to a website of an Amish woman who escaped when she was a teen. She set this up to raise awareness and to help other Amish women who don’t have anywhere else to turn for help. If you click on her blog, you can read more about what is was like to grow up Amish.

    http://www.tkbventures.com/index.php...d=13&Itemid=26

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    BornAgain123 Guest

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    Is it just me, or does this blogger sound alot like a liberal college girl? I mean these are some serious allegations-I'm surprised they haven't gotten more attention outside of these blogs.

    A cult? Maybe-but one of these New Age religion cults like Christian Science, Rick Warren, LDS, Jehovas Witnesses, etc? I don't think so.

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    Everlasting Peace Guest

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    Don't forget that the Amish hear more about social issues and rules, at church, than they do about salvation through faith so I wouldn't expect her past "religious" teachings (more like lack thereof) to lead her into a faith-based ministry. Regardless, it doesn't undermine her reality of her experiences while Amish. Having personally witnessed many of the things she's talking about, I have no reason to believe she's lying about things I have not witnessed.

    Please go back up and read my post. It defines everything that a cult is. There has been attention given to these issues, but they're quickly forgotten. Even without the issues of abuse, they are still a cult. There have been many lawsuits brought against the Amish for medical neglect of their children, as well.

    Another example is forcing their children to quit school after 8th grade. This leaves the children with no preparation or skills to function in a 21st Century America. They ensure that their children will stay in the cult, and if they do leave when 18, they're educationally behind. To me, that's a human rights violation in and of itself. If adults wish to seclude themselves from the world, that's fine, but to force children to abide by ridiculous social rules, in an attempt to keep them roped into the cult, is not fine. In my opinion, they are no better or worse off than some of the other cults you mentioned because these kids are secluded in one-room school houses to prevent them from associating with the outside world. They are forbidden to hold Bible studies, amongst themselves, and forbidden to witness their faith.

    While they are known for being very religious, it's a religion of rules and works.

    I hope that helps to explain things a little more clearly.

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