How A.A. turned our nation from Christ

[Serving Our King]

Let there be no strange god among you; nor shall you worship any false god. (Psalm 81:9)

“I am firmly convinced the longer a member’s years in A.A., the less important the nature of [God] becomes,” writes the author of ‘A member’s birds-eye view of Alcoholics Anonymous.’ This assertion, made decades ago, contains much truth.

But this has also proved true of our culture. The United States has been saturated with A.A. and other 12 Step groups for more than seven decades. As a direct result our respect, understanding, and desire for the Biblical God has faded.

In ‘The Fall of the Evangelical Nation,’ author Christine Wicker credits Alcoholics Anonymous with “hastening the fall of the evangelical church.” The author notes how A.A. “slowly exposed people to the notion they could get [a god] without the dogma, the doctrine, and the outdated rules. Without the church, in fact.”

In other words, people could worship whatever form of “god” they imagine. The A.A. deity, the “higher power,” is a lot like a salad bar—people choose a little of this, a little of that. What is on the plate can always be added to, subtracted, or rearranged. But when “god” is so malleable, so is morality.

Since the 12 Steps, demonic in origin, have nothing to do with Christ, neither sin nor Biblical repentance is addressed. This , of course, is very appealing to the flesh. The Steps address “wrongs,” “making amends,” and “moral inventory,” but one inserts one’s own moral understanding alongside one’s own custom-made god.

Unrepentant homosexual Gene Robinson, an Episcopal Bishop, gave an intentionally Christ-less invocation at one of the Presidential inaugural events. A recovering alcoholic, Robinson prayed instead to A.A.’s higher power, the “god of our many understandings.”

The nature of the apostate Bishop’s prayer illustrates the profound theological shift that has taken place in America.

According to a recent Barna survey, “By a three to one margin (71% to 26%) adults noted that they are personally more likely to develop their own set of religious beliefs than to accept a comprehensive set of beliefs taught by a particular church.” Incredibly, 61% of born again Christians also embraced this salad-bar approach. Obviously, many in the church today are not believers at all.

The sorrows of those who have bartered after another god will be multiplied. (Psalm 16:4)

Let us acknowledge that A.A. has helped some people get sober. A smattering has even found Christ while attending Alcoholics Anonymous. Yet, this in itself has proved an effective decoy. It furthers the misconception that people should be encouraged into this all-gods religion because ultimately they will come to Christ. This rarely happens.

Throughout Scripture the Lord forbids spiritual fellowship with non-believers. He warned Solomon what would happen because of his heathen wives. (1 Kings 11); He approved of King Josiah’s agony over the false gods in the Temple. (2 Kings 22:8-23:24); He clearly commands us to be a separate people. (2 Corinthians 6:14-17) Belonging to the 12 Step religion, where all “gods” are seen as equal, is a grave insult to the Ancient of Days.

For great is the Lord and greatly to be praised; He is to be feared above all gods. For all the gods of the peoples are idols, But the Lord made the heavens. (Psalm 96:4-5)

Make no mistake—the success of A.A. is not in treatment effectiveness, which is limited, but in public relations and publicity. A.A. and other 12 Step groups have excelled not in bringing people to Jesus, but in weakening the Body of Christ, and steering the culture away from the God of the Bible.

America has accomplished much. We have guarded Israel. We have helped spread the gospel throughout many other lands. But now, the apostate church rises, with much of the coming one world religion in place in rudimentary form.

When is a smile a snarl? When are helping hands the talons of hell? When is spirituality a sibilant, serpentine kiss? Bishop Robinson’s inaugural invocation to the 12 Step god is a harbinger of what is to come—and, indeed, what is already here.

[logosone]

A.A. is just another cult for their loyal supporting members. "Without AA you are helpless and will die". Part of the problem is it's so widespread and available it's the default rehab solution for society. Would I suggest that somebody never attend a meeting for any reason? I'm not going that far.

[Velyx]

A.A. is just another cult for their loyal supporting members. "Without AA you are helpless and will die". Part of the problem is it's so widespread and available it's the default rehab solution for society. Would I suggest that somebody never attend a meeting for any reason? I'm not going that far.

I wouldn't recommend A.A. to anyone. They deny sin as the root cause and
call it an illness. It is not an illness and there are better ways then to go to
A.A. and lose your soul. Now, before those who are in A.A. and those who
have friends/family in A.A. jump in and state they have been saved through
it, remember that not everyone is fortunate to come to know Christ through
the A.A. The A.A. does not preach Jesus but instead:

"Surrender to whatever you know about Him, or believe must be the truth about Him. Surrender to Him, if necessary, in total ignorance of Him. Far more important that you touch Him than that you understand Him at first. Put yourself in His hands. Whatever He is, as William James said, He is more ideal than we are. Make the leap. Give yourself to Him."

Who are they talking about? Jesus? allah? krishna? wafer god?

Anyways that is only one problem of it, another issue with A.A. is the fact
that it has Occult practices in it and is a Cult. Also:

How Alcoholics Anonymous Doctrines Compare with Scripture

by Debbie Dewart, M.A.

AA ~ The Broad Road of AA

"To us, the Realm of the Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive, or forbidding...." Alcoholics Anonymous, p. 46.

Bible ~ The Narrow Road of Christ

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it" (Matt 7:13-14).

AA ~ Contempt for Sound Doctrine

"Any number of alcoholics are bedeviled by the dire conviction that if they ever go near AA, they will be pressured to conform to some brand of faith or theology." As Bill Sees It, p. 201.

Bible ~ Sound Doctrine

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine…" (2 Tim 4:3-4).

AA ~ "God-as-you-understand-Him": Any Name "We suggest that you find a substitute for this destructive power, alcohol, and turn to a Higher Power, regardless of the name by which you may identify that power. We suggest that you turn your will and your life over to God, as you understand Him." The Clergy Ask About Alcoholics Anonymous, p. 9.

Bible ~ Jesus Christ: No Other Name

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

AA ~ Powerlessness

"We admitted we were powerless over alcohol, that our lives had become unmanageable" (Step 1).

Bible ~ Power in Christ

No believer can claim to be powerless: "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" (Philip 4:13).

AA ~ Spiritual Awakening

"Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps…" (Step 12).

Bible ~ Spiritually Dead in Sin

Man is spiritually dead, not asleep. He needs resurrection, not awakening. "Even when we were dead in sins, [God] hath quickened us [made us alive] together with Christ" (Eph 2:5).

AA ~ The "Big Book": AA’s "Bible"

Portions of the "Big Book," Alcoholics Anonymous, are read "religiously" at every AA meeting, much like Scripture readings at Christian worship services.

Bible ~ Sufficient for Life & Godliness

"His divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue" (2 Peter 1:3).

AA ~ Leadership: "Trusted Servants"

"Our leaders are but trusted servants. They do not govern" (Tradition 2).

Bible ~ Leadership: Elders

AA’s leaders and individual sponsors usurp the role God has ordained for church elders to shepherd and "feed the flock of God which is among you" (1 Peter 5:2).

AA ~ The "Moral Inventory"

Step 4 requires a "searching and fearless moral inventory," essentially a detailed catalogue of past sins to be "confessed" to some other person to whom such confession is not biblically due.

Bible ~ No Condemnation

As Christians, our sins are fully covered by the blood of Christ. We confess our sins, as appropriate, to God and to those actually sinned against. New believers are nowhere in Scripture required to make a detailed list of all past sins. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" (Rom 8:1).

AA ~ "Birthdays"

AA members celebrate annual "birthdays" based on the date of their last drink. They practice a "secular regeneration."

Bible ~ Regeneration by the Holy Spirit

Christians celebrate their new birth in Christ.

AA ~ The Goal: Sobriety

The goal of AA is abstinence from alcoholic beverages (sobriety). Other sins, such as sexual immorality, are commonly tolerated so long as the AA member isn’t drinking.

Bible ~ The Goal: Sanctification

"For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son" (Rom 8:29).

AA ~ Fellowship/Unity: A Common Sin

AA’s fellowship is built around the common sin of drunkenness. "Personal recovery depends upon AA unity" (Tradition 1).

Bible ~ Fellowship/Unity: A Common Salvation "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all" (Eph 4:4-6).

AA ~ Carrying "the Message"

"Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics and to practice these principles in all our affairs" (Step 12).

Bible ~ Christian Evangelism

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world" (Matt 28:19-20).

AA ~ Incurable Disease

AA’s literature is permeated with the dogma, taught faithfully to newcomers, that "once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic." There is no "cure" offered, only continual abstinence from all alcoholic beverages.

Forgiven Sin

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God (1 Cor 6:9-11).

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Editor's note: Twelve-Step programs continue to grow in popularity both outside and inside the church. Many pastors and Christian leaders have bought into the idea that these originated from a Christian foundation. That shows how broad the term Christian has become*-so broad as to include any deity "as you understand" him, her, or it and so wide as to include the occult, as well as the mentality of psychotherapeutic theories. In other words, most twelve-step programs are mixtures, rather than the pure doctrine and practice of Scripture. Our book 12 Steps to Destruction: Codependency Recovery Heresies contains valuable information regarding the unbiblical nature of the original Alcoholics Anonymous Twelve Steps and of the many programs built on these foundations. Debbie Dewart has given us permission to include her 13-page paper titled "A Response to the 12 Steps in a Christian Setting" with each order placed for 12 Steps to Destruction.

[logosone]

Well, if wasn't for AA many people would NEVER hear anything about trying to find sobriety. This is not an issue where others who are not familiar with the problem have much credence. I don't see any problem with it serving as a wake up call for most people.

[Velyx]

Well, if wasn't for AA many people would NEVER hear anything about trying to find sobriety. This is not an issue where others who are not familiar with the problem have much credence. I don't see any problem with it serving as a wake up call for most people.

Is it ok that they "found Sobriety" and end up in Hell? What was the point?

[john boland]

i have been to AA meetings in the past and now have six and half years sobriety to my credit. Even though I don't attend meetings anymore, the only thing I know for certain is, if i continued drinking the way I was going, I was going to die. I do believe alcoholism is a disease in that sense and certain people through their genetic make up are pre disposed to become alcoholics. The idea of a higher power worship did often make me wonder why AA as a whole does not promote Jesus or Chrisitan beliefs, but I think it has more to do with being able to reach far many more people than just Chrisitians with the use of a generic spirit. Personally I call my Higher Power Jesus Christ and he keeps me sober "One Day At A Time." Nothing wrong with that and that is how I live. "One Day At A Time." Never get rich, but won't die in a gutter either. Most people have hard lives. They find themselves turning to drugs and alcohol to numb the pain of living. Once I got saved, I realized how Jesus could break the bondage of alcoholism that holds so many people hostage most of their lives.

[Velyx]

i have been to AA meetings in the past and now have six and half years sobriety to my credit. Even though I don't attend meetings anymore, the only thing I know for certain is, if i continued drinking the way I was going, I was going to die. I do believe alcoholism is a disease in that sense and certain people through their genetic make up are pre disposed to become alcoholics. The idea of a higher power worship did often make me wonder why AA as a whole does not promote Jesus or Chrisitan beliefs, but I think it has more to do with being able to reach far many more people than just Chrisitians with the use of a generic spirit. Personally I call my Higher Power Jesus Christ and he keeps me sober "One Day At A Time." Nothing wrong with that and that is how I live. "One Day At A Time." Never get rich, but won't die in a gutter either. Most people have hard lives. They find themselves turning to drugs and alcohol to numb the pain of living. Once I got saved, I realized how Jesus could break the bondage of alcoholism that holds so many people hostage most of their lives.

Praise the Lord that you were saved! I am truly glad that you were saved
and am not kidding but the problem is, is that A.A. can not save you or
anyone else. The only one who can truly free you is Jesus Christ, because
Alcoholism is Drunkenness, Drunkenness is a Sin and only Jesus can free us
from Sin. Sure I admit that some are indeed saved by the Lord through A.A.
but at the same time some are saved by the Lord through Satanism also. The
Lord can save anyone no matter what they do or are in.

but I think it has more to do with being able to reach far many more people than just Chrisitians with the use of a generic spirit.

Yes, I understand that but look at it this way, if Jesus Christ is who the Bible
says he is then the A.A. is leading people towards False Religions and gods.
Not only that, they are also yoking up true Believers in Christ with the
unGodly and unbelievers into bondage.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us
free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what
fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath
light with darkness?

[Angel001]

i have been to AA meetings in the past and now have six and half years sobriety to my credit. Even though I don't attend meetings anymore, the only thing I know for certain is, if i continued drinking the way I was going, I was going to die. I do believe alcoholism is a disease in that sense and certain people through their genetic make up are pre disposed to become alcoholics. The idea of a higher power worship did often make me wonder why AA as a whole does not promote Jesus or Chrisitan beliefs, but I think it has more to do with being able to reach far many more people than just Chrisitians with the use of a generic spirit. Personally I call my Higher Power Jesus Christ and he keeps me sober "One Day At A Time." Nothing wrong with that and that is how I live. "One Day At A Time." Never get rich, but won't die in a gutter either. Most people have hard lives. They find themselves turning to drugs and alcohol to numb the pain of living. Once I got saved, I realized how Jesus could break the bondage of alcoholism that holds so many people hostage most of their lives.

CONGRAGULATIONS on your sobriety and your salvation!

[Serving Our King]

I so appreciate you all. It has seemed pretty lonely at times out here warning about A.A. Never in the Bible does Christ give His okay to introducing someone to a foreign god as part of a strategy to eventually bring that person to Him.

Yet this is the false logic of many Christians in A.A.

"I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another, Nor my praises to graven images. (Isaiah 42:8)

What about Alcoholics Anonymous? The A.A. Big Book states, "We found that God does not make too hard terms with those who seek Him. To us, the Realm of Spirit is broad, roomy, all inclusive; never exclusive or forbidding to those who earnestly seek. It is open, we believe, to all men. When, therefore, we speak to you of God, we mean your own conception of God." According to the A.A. Big Book, God is "deep down within us."
Thus are the seeds of the New Age planted in the soil of Alcoholics Anonymous.

I believe the above quotes are from pgs. 46-47, and pg. 55, of the Alcoholics Anonymous Big Big.

A.A. is not Biblical--indeed it is anti-Biblical as Christ is not recognized as the only way to the Father. The claims that A.A. is Christian in origin is a horrible lie, one that will be furthered once again by author and A.A. apologist Dick B. as he takes part in a conference this May promoting this fallacy.

Were the A.A. cofounders Christians? If you are interested, check this out "Alcoholics Anonymous cofounders were not Christians"here: http://www.worldviewtimes.com/articl...e/John-Lanagan

[barbi21021]

I had found a christian recovery site online that I was thrilled about because I knew I could speak about Jesus, but they used the Big Book and 12 steps also. I think I was there a week before the Lord led me away from there. Something just did not sit well within me being there. Now I have more understanding why. The Lord is ever faithful in guiding me as I used to be really be into WOF preachers and all of the sudden just stopped watching them not knowing why until I learned here on this board what they were all about.

[Serving Our King]

He is our King! He has let you see. Barbi, I would appreciate your prayers. I have been trying to write a book exposing the anti-Biblical nature and origin of AA. So many of us remain deceived.

Some of us will never leave. A transference of faith has taken place. AA and the 12 Steps are where the heart is, despite what lips may claim.

But not you, o saint!

[Serving Our King]

He is our King! He has let you see. Barbi, I would appreciate your prayers. I have been trying to write a book exposing the anti-Biblical nature and origin of AA. So many of us remain deceived.

Some of us will never leave. A transference of faith has taken place. AA and the 12 Steps are where the heart is, despite what lips may claim.

But not you, o saint!

[Serving Our King]

He is our King! He has let you see. Barbi, I would appreciate your prayers. I have been trying to write a book exposing the anti-Biblical nature and origin of AA. So many of us remain deceived.

Some of us will never leave. A transference of faith has taken place. AA and the 12 Steps are where the heart is, despite what lips may claim.

But not you, o saint!

[barbi21021]

I absolutely will pray for you and your mission to reveal the truth. Thank you for your kindness and making me feel welcome.

[ausador]

When people walk in the door at A.A. they are at the end of their rope, alcohol has defeated them. They will die of alcoholism if they cannot find a way to become and stay sober. Are we to turn them away from our help because they are an atheist, or an agnostic, or a pagan, or a muslim, or a sikh, or a hindu, etc, etc...?

There are religious based sobriety programs out there and we Christians have those other options open to us, others that make up small minorities in the country do not have their own programs. A.A. makes a point to only speak of a "higher power" whatever that might mean to you personally, it does not advocate for or against any form of religion whatsoever.

This is from the "big book"...
Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for AA membership; we are self-supporting
through our own contributions. AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.

From personal experience I can tell you that at least 75% of the membership is in fact Christian and before and after meetings we frequently and openly discuss our religion and Christ with anyone who will listen. However during the one hour of the meeting we respect those others there who do not believe in our religion or are not yet ready to come to Christ by limiting any religious comments.

A.A.'s real strength is in the group, alcoholics shareing experience with and supporting other alcoholics. The only way the group can function smoothly without rancor is if we leave politics, and religion at the door. Many people have come to Christ through A.A. once they were sober, clear minded, and had been shown love and support by his believers within the group.

Many people have a large chip on their shoulder about God/Religion/Christ by the time they first walk in the doors because they feel God has failed to hear their fervent prayers to relieve them of their alcoholism. The quickest way to drive them away is to start talking about Jesus, especially when their brains are still fogged by the effects of long term drinking. These people need time and support before they will be ready to hear our message about Christ and their salvation.

No A.A. is not biblical, nor is it meant to be, but many of it's members are...

[Gabby]

No A.A. is not biblical, nor is it meant to be, but many of it's members are...

ausador ~ how do you reconcile the following verse then, if you advocate the 'good' of AA for both Christians and non-Christians?

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" 2 Cor. 6:14

I, personally, think that meeting with unbelievers once, twice, maybe more times per week is intentionally becoming 'yoked' with them. You say this:

From personal experience I can tell you that at least 75% of the membership is in fact Christian and before and after meetings we frequently and openly discuss our religion and Christ with anyone who will listen. However during the one hour of the meeting we respect those others there who do not believe in our religion or are not yet ready to come to Christ by limiting any religious comments.

Is that not worshipping together with unbelievers? That verse speaks of being in union with an unbeliever. Is not AA being in union with one another? I'm not trying to be combative ~ I'm genuinely interested in your response.

[Angel001]

ausador ~ how do you reconcile the following verse then, if you advocate the 'good' of AA for both Christians and non-Christians?

"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?" 2 Cor. 6:14

I, personally, think that meeting with unbelievers once, twice, maybe more times per week is intentionally becoming 'yoked' with them. You say this:



Is that not worshipping together with unbelievers? That verse speaks of being in union with an unbeliever. Is not AA being in union with one another? I'm not trying to be combative ~ I'm genuinely interested in your response.

I know this question wasn't for me...but really feel compelled to answer...
I don't recall the Scripture that says Jesus only "hung out" with Christians...his band of "friends" were gruff fishermen,prostitutes,tax collectors.... (they were not "really Christians" until AFTER Christ was crucified,technically. (Remember...they ran and hid until He appeared to them).
He went out among the people and preached to the "lowliest" and to those others who were above needing Him (sarcastically said) such as the rich and the Pharisees.
I have some family members WHO ARE Christians that became alcoholics and joined AA. They have been sober for several decades now AND found their way back to the Lord.There are many others who have found Jesus through AA.
Lending support to folks who need help is not wrong and if it is in a situation where the chance to witness to someone comes along (which frequently does)...this may be the only place a person in that situation might hear the good news...what is wrong with that??
Jesus proclaimed Himself to all that would listen..He did not just "preach to the choir".He came for the lost...
Remember...there ARE "Christian" therapy groups out there today that are leading many astray.The mega churches with their sermons that "tickle the ears " of their followers.
The "good" of both AA and Christians...sobriety! Someone must make a conscience decision to accept Christ...that is not possible if one's mind is clouded with alcohol/drugs.
I am not blasting you...reminding you that Christ went among the sinners...those who needed to Hear Him.
A church that only wants those that are saved inside their doors...there is a problem with that thinking.jmVho

Attending AA meetings with non-believers is not being unequally yoked...it is sharing a common problem and being supportive of one another. We as Christians are born again and our actions should speak to people of the power of Christ. If the opportunity comes upon us to witness the love and the salvation through Jesus ANYWHERE ...How is that a bad thing?
Now...should a person just party hearty...after a meeting as in hit the bars...that is a problem.(Can't witness if you are not walking with God...but that goes for any time we are walking in sin..and ALL of us do on ocassion).
I have been blessed to witness to some folks who came to work where I was employed through a rehab program. (Not a Christian program but did follow the 12 step and higher power of AA).They knew my faith and between the 2 the door was opened to speak of Christ.I hope that the seeds have taken root.

[Velyx]

When people walk in the door at A.A. they are at the end of their rope, alcohol has defeated them. They will die of alcoholism if they cannot find a way to become and stay sober. Are we to turn them away from our help because they are an atheist, or an agnostic, or a pagan, or a muslim, or a sikh, or a hindu, etc, etc...?

Did you even read any of the above? No where do I or anyone else say turn
them away, In fact we are saying to point them to JESUS. Drunkenness is a
SIN I do not see how anyone who is a Christian can deny this.
Friend, Who can free everyone from Sin? Who can free everyone of any
Bondage?

There are religious based sobriety programs out there and we Christians have those other options open to us, others that make up small minorities in the country do not have their own programs. A.A. makes a point to only speak of a "higher power" whatever that might mean to you personally, it does not advocate for or against any form of religion whatsoever.

That is the point and one of the main problems with A.A.. They deny that
Jesus is the Only Way and deny the problem as Sin.

This is from the "big book"...
Alcoholics Anonymous is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for AA membership; we are self-supporting
through our own contributions. AA is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy, neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.

This would sound Nice if the problem was not Sin, like I stated above, only
Jesus can cleanse us of Sin.

From personal experience I can tell you that at least 75% of the membership is in fact Christian and before and after meetings we frequently and openly discuss our religion and Christ with anyone who will listen. However during the one hour of the meeting we respect those others there who do not believe in our religion or are not yet ready to come to Christ by limiting any religious comments.

So, You are OK with sticking Jesus Christ the Creator of Everything in the
corner with the idols of men?

A.A.'s real strength is in the group, alcoholics shareing experience with and supporting other alcoholics.

Sounds like yoking up with non-believers instead of trusting in the Lord.

The only way the group can function smoothly without rancor is if we leave politics, and religion at the door.

Along with Christ.

Many people have come to Christ through A.A. once they were sober, clear minded, and had been shown love and support by his believers within the group.

Like I said earlier, many have also come to Jesus through Satanism, just
proves Jesus is Almighty.

Many people have a large chip on their shoulder about God/Religion/Christ by the time they first walk in the doors because they feel God has failed to hear their fervent prayers to relieve them of their alcoholism.

Misconceptions of Men is not the fault of God. One must repent and come to
Him.

The quickest way to drive them away is to start talking about Jesus, especially when their brains are still fogged by the effects of long term drinking.

I hope you did not mean this to come out the way it did.

These people need time and support before they will be ready to hear our message about Christ and their salvation.

One does not decide to be ready to hear the Gospel. You hear it, then decide
to repent and believe or not, not the other way around.

No A.A. is not biblical, nor is it meant to be, but many of it's members are...

If the members followed the Bible they would not be in AA.

[Gabby]

Did you even read any of the above? No where do I or anyone else say turn
them away, In fact we are saying to point them to JESUS. Drunkenness is a
SIN I do not see how anyone who is a Christian can deny this.
Friend, Who can free everyone from Sin? Who can free everyone of any
Bondage?



That is the point and one of the main problems with A.A.. They deny that
Jesus is the Only Way and deny the problem as Sin.



This would sound Nice if the problem was not Sin, like I stated above, only
Jesus can cleanse us of Sin.


So, You are OK with sticking Jesus Christ the Creator of Everything in the
corner with the idols of men?



Sounds like yoking up with non-believers instead of trusting in the Lord.



Along with Christ.



Like I said earlier, many have also come to Jesus through Satanism, just
proves Jesus is Almighty.



Misconceptions of Men is not the fault of God. One must repent and come to
Him.



I hope you did not mean this to come out the way it did.



One does not decide to be ready to hear the Gospel. You hear it, then decide
to repent and believe or not, not the other way around.



If the members followed the Bible they would not be in AA.

Excellent points, Velyx.

[john boland]

I think sometimes people utilize AA to associate with others in which they have something in common. With AA that commonality is a desire to stop drinking. You will see all walks of life at an AA meeting. Rich poor, male female, educated non educated, white black, fat skiny, Christian Non Chrisitian it doesn't matter, just the desire to quit drinking. I think it is pretty shallow that some folks, Chrisitians as well as Non Christians will not associate with someone if the fact comes to light that they are a practicing member of AA. I had a boss one time who shuned me because I went to meetings. I came to work clean shaven and sober though and got production every night. Still got fired though and it was based somewhat if not entirely on his preconception of AA members and the estigma the organization carries. "You go to AA?" "You MUST have a drinking problem." "Yes, I do, I am man enought to admit it and by gosh I am doing something about it."