Masons & Freemasonry

[Christy]

On some other threads on this forum it was stated that both Billy Graham and Norman Vincent Peale are/were 33rd degree Freemasons. Is Freemasonry compatible with Christianity though?

No, it isn't - the two are at opposite ends - the one, in it's purest, simplest form glorifies God and the other one is an occult religion, i.e., antichrist, as it teaches a different way to salvation and considers Jesus, Buddha, Confucius, and all other spiritual leaders to be messengers of The Grand Architect of the Universe - as they call the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Like many false religions/cults, Freemasonry tries it's best to avoid examination of it's doctrines/beliefs and instead claims its many good works in socieity.

Freemasonry has degrees ranging from 1 - 33, and at each level the person is given more Masonic "truths". For example - "Lucifer is good and Adonay is evil" is taught at the 30th - 32nd level. At the highest levels Freemason take blood oaths to keep secrets.

Many years ago churches banned church members who belonged to any secret society, the churches in question were namely the Assemblies of God, Methodist Church, Russian Orthodox Church, to name but a few. Freemasonry claims to have it's roots in ancient Egypt and date it back to Solomon's Temple and perverts the name Solomon, breaking it down into the names of 3 deities, namely, Sol, Om and On.

The Lying and Deception begins with the "G"

Ex-33 degree Mason Jim Shaw says; "The Blue Lodge Mason is taught that the "G" in the basic Masonic symbol represents God. Later on, he is told that it represents "deity". Later still, he is told that it represents "geometry". In reality, this letter represents the "generative principle," the Sun-god and, thus, the worshipped phallus, the male "generative principle..." In its position (along with the square and compass) on the east wall over the chair (throne) of the Worshipful Master, it is the representation of the Sun, thus of the Sun-god, Osiris. Its earthly meaning, then, is of the sacred phallus; its cosmic meaning is of the Sun, worshipped since antiquity by pagans while facing the East. Reference, book: The Deadly Deception", page 144

Freemasonry is one of many apostate religions dedicated to the destruction of traditional Judaism and Christianity. Those who aspire to grow in their closeness to Jesus Christ, and to increase their discernment in these days, would do well to stay very clear of Freemasonry. Are your loyalties with Jesus Christ or are they with the lodge? Both are diametrically opposed to one another as you will see below.


Masons have mixed idolatry, paganism, the occult, Kabala, fertility cults, Satanism, spiritualism, demonology, and put it into a blender and come up with the Masonic religion. It is not of God! It is a false religion; the Harlot of Babylon. Masons say they offer new candidates "the light". The light they are actually giving is: Lucifer. The Christian Bible says that Satan walks to and fro on this earth masquerading as an "angel of light", that many might be deceived.

Unknown to most Masons, there is an occult side to Masonry. It is at levels in Masonry that most Masons never get to.
The Secret of Masonry is this:

As a Mason you will be led and hoodwinked into believing there is useful knowledge to be learned in Masonry. This is the "hook", and in each level you will be disappointed with these so-called Secrets, which are all frivolous, made up, and insignificant. This so-called "knowledge" will also be monetarily costly, and very time consuming -- away from your family. It is the lure of curiosity and nothing more that will be satisfied by Masonry. You will be made to "swear" things and take "solemn oaths"; and in doing so, to act against your conscience as both a Christian and an American. These oaths and pledges will in time act upon your conscience in such the same way as a Christian who has knowingly taken the mark of the beast.

At some point it will dawn on you that you have chosen the lodge, the occult and Satan over the Lord Jesus Christ. When you notice there is a complete "black out" of even the mention of Jesus Christ in your lodge, you will feel trapped because of all the "solemn Masonic oaths" you had made, without knowing in advance of just what you were in for. Your "swearing" to keep Mason secrets is forbidden by the Word of God to "Swear not at all". Yet diabolically, you may be asked to do this with your hand on a Bible and a compass & square. Your oaths will be awful, and you will need to pledge to keep undefined secrets. And you will pledge to maintain these frivolous secrets under the penalty of death. This is an extrajudicial oath. And as such, contrary to the laws of the land. Yet you will be enticed to make them.

Source: http://bibleprobe.com/freemasonry.htm

[BlessedinHim]

You said it good there. My step dad was a mason, and he was not godly at all. The skull and cross bones is part of that, too. I am not sure of the exact connection tho. A great majority of the presidents are in the skull and cross bones. There are very few presidents who were not a part of this evil secret society, even from the start. makes you go hmmmmm, maybe those conspiracy theorists are right?

they do a good job of looking like a benign club with all their "good works" tho, dont they?

[Zaphnathpaaneah]

On some other threads on this forum it was stated that both Billy Graham and Norman Vincent Peale are/were 33rd degree Freemasons. Is Freemasonry compatible with Christianity though?
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Billy Graham was a mason? I heard that Peale was, but Billy Graham?

Really?

[CHRISTinCheryl]

Freemasonry is satanic ,ocultic, and is an enemy of GOD...JESUS warned... NO secret societies....
satanic, no if ands or buts...
sorry to sound so strong....but Ill never debate anyone here on this subject if they if they disagree with the above truth...

[CHRISTinCheryl]

read this folks...about FREEMASONRY!!!
http://www.crossroad.to./articles2/006/freemasons.htm

[TheOddBall34]

You said it good there. My step dad was a mason, and he was not godly at all. The skull and cross bones is part of that, too. I am not sure of the exact connection tho. A great majority of the presidents are in the skull and cross bones. There are very few presidents who were not a part of this evil secret society, even from the start. makes you go hmmmmm, maybe those conspiracy theorists are right?

they do a good job of looking like a benign club with all their "good works" tho, dont they?

Yes they do a good job of looking like a benign club, but even Satan can appear as an angel of light.

[BlessedinHim]

Yes they do a good job of looking like a benign club, but even Satan can appear as an angel of light.

exactly

(I think satan will appear to whoever as they will accept him, whether it be a little green man, a ghost or a beautiful angel.)

[Christy]

Billy Graham was a mason? I heard that Peale was, but Billy Graham?

Really?

His beliefs surely do tie in with Freemasonry as he has said that Jesus Christ isn't the only way to God.

[TheOddBall34]

William Howard Taft - 27th United States President (Taft family was one of the founders)
George H. Bush - 41st United States President
George W. Bush - 43rd United States President

We have many US Senators, Ambassadors, Secretary of the Navy, CIA members, Governors, Statesmen, Council of Foreign Relations, Supreme Court Justice... etc in this organization (skull and bones that is).

I don't think the Bush' Clan could join the Freemasons.. Something to deal with Prescot Bush and his involvement with Hilter during that era. (if I recall correctly)

Bush is he is also member of Skull and Bones.

[Revelator]

Billy Graham has never been a free mason...


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Thank you for your e-mail message regarding Freemasonry. My answer was to the question of Dr. Graham's view of and involvement with Freemasonry.

I will respond to your three questions:

1. BGEA does not have an official position on Freemasonry. Mr. Graham's response that he is not, has not, and does not expect ever to be involved in Freemasonry is as close to any policy that we have.

2. Freemasons do not have compatible beliefs with fundamental Christianity.

3. We would not suggest that a person take an oath of Freemasonry.

----, let me share a bit more with you for your information. Many Christians do not believe that a Christian should be a member of a secret lodge, and ministers often strongly oppose such membership. At the same time, it must be recognized that there are Christians who are members of lodges. As to the degree of their commitment to Christ as Lord, we would not be able to judge; only the Lord knows the heart.

As we have said, Mr. Graham is not a member of any lodge. Part of his conviction is that a proper fulfillment of one's obligations to the church should fulfill any need that one has for this type of organization. All too often lodges and fraternal organizations compete with the exercise of one's gifts in the church, and take up time that could be more wisely invested in one's family. If a husband and wife are not in mutual agreement concerning membership in a lodge, a serious rift can occur in their relationship because of the nature of fraternal organizations and involvement with them.

If a lodge or club denies the Triune God, or the deity and atoning sacrifice of our Lord Jesus Christ, or teaches that we can find salvation through our own meritorious good deeds, or interferes in any way with the service of a Christian to his Lord or to his church, that organization should have no appeal for a Christian. We are expected by God to use wisdom in deciding whether or not to be a member of any organization. The Bible says, "If any of you lacks wisdom, 'he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him' (James 1:5)."
"Regarding the issue of beliefs, in A CONCISE DICTIONARY OF CULTS & RELIGIONS

by William Watson (Moody, 1991), the following information about Freemasonry is given:
Also known as Masons and Masonic Lodge. . . . 'Teaches that all religions are one and that there are many gods who are considered equal to Jesus. Masonic literature denies that Jesus is the only savior of the world and rejects Christ's death on the cross as God's sole remedy for sin. Salvation depends on works, not faith in God. The sacred books of many religions are regarded equally as revelations from God. Other helpful books are: MASONS: WHAT THEY BELIEVE by Harold J. Berry and THE FACTS ON THE MASONIC LODGE: DOES MASONRY CONFLICT WITH THE CHRISTIAN FAITH? by John Ankerberg and John Weldon. You may find these at most Christian bookstores. You may also want to contact Free the Masons Ministries, P. O. Box 1077, Issaquah, Washington 98027, for further information."

"May the Lord bless you richly and give you His wisdom and discernment as you share in His kingdom work. We pray that the Lord will enrich your life, filling you with all joy and peace in believing."

"Sincerely,
Don Kinde

Christian Guidance Department
Billy Graham Evangelistic Association"

[ChristianGal]

His beliefs surely do tie in with Freemasonry as he has said that Jesus Christ isn't the only way to God.

I've never heard nor seen Billy Graham deny Jesus is the only way to God. Do you have any proof you can post? And by that I mean from his owns words...maybe on his website or in a book he wrote? I grew up listening to Billy Graham and I remember many of his sermons and stories. I don't ever recall hearing Billy deny Jesus as the ONLY path to God.

Revelator - thank you for that post from Billy Graham's website. I have long enjoyed Billy Graham and found his sermons and books very scriptually sound. I've been pleased to see his children following in his footsteps and especially happy with the way they always get the message out about Jesus at every chance. In his later years, I've noticed Billy shying away from controversial subjects...being less vocal with his opinions and personal judgments, but he's old now and has had a lot of medical problems and I always thought he just didn't have the strength to debate the way he did in his youth.

[Daniel1210]

Ut oh. Criticizing masons got me banned from the 'old board' but here's some more info:

Shriners (The)—Allah's Islamic Cult Inside the Masonic Lodge

To most Americans, the Shriners are a wonderful organization. They see men wearing the strange "fez" hat and gleefully riding tiny motor scooters in parades. They see Shriners at circuses dressed as clowns, delighting youngsters. They hear of the boisterous Shriners conventions and are told of the charitable acts of this group—it builds hospitals and so forth. But there is a darker side to the Shriners, and Texe Marrs uncovers it in this revealing investigative expose. You'll learn that the Shriners are Knights Templar, 13th degree York Rite Masons or 32nd degree Scottish Rite Masons. You'll discover the hideous blood oath to a pagan deity taken by these men in a bizarre and occultic initiation rite. You'll discover also the meaning of The Shrine and the significance of the "fez" cap. You'll find out why the elements in the logo, or symbol, of the Shriners include an Arabic curved sword, upside down horns, a pentacle star, and an image of the ancient goddess of Egypt. This audiotape will enlighten you about what goes on behind the closed doors of the Shrine Temples. It will equip you with the knowledge and information you need to unmask this devilish organization and help men who are entrapped in its devilish clutches escape.

Who founded the Shriners? Did this group come out of the spiritualism (necromancy) movement called the "13 Clubs?"

Why does every Shriner attest that he is "a noble of the mystic shrine who has traveled the Arabic path?"

Does the red "fez" hat signify the bloody massacre of Christians by Muslim hordes during the crusades?
Can a faithful Christian be a Shriner? Does the Shrine blaspheme the Lord Jesus by honoring a false pagan god and his "prophet?"

What diabolical oath is taken by every Shriner? Does the Shriner pledge loyalty and fealty to Allah and Mohammed? Does he kneel in submission before the Koran, the Muslim scriptures? What disgusting acts does the initiate engage in?

Is there a connection between the Order of the Mystic Shrine and the infamous Illuminati?

What famous men are known to be—or have been—Masons who were initiated into the Order of the Shriners? Do their ranks include the late Presidents Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, former President Gerald Ford, country singer Roy Clark, and the late comedians Red Skelton and Danny Thomas?

How about the Prince Hall Shrine, made up exclusively of Afro-Americans and numbering in its Masonic ranks such men as Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and band leader Lionel Hampton?

What are the concealed goals of the Shriners and of international Freemasonry?

http://www.conspiracyworld.com/more_...roductId=19041

[Christy]

The link to the Billy Graham interview can be found here:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=5263&page=31

[BlessedinHim]

Ut oh. Criticizing masons got me banned from the 'old board' but here's some more info:

maybe they were a freemason,

you know, that is an oxy moron. Masons are not free, they are in bondage, and they do not even know it.

We should pray for them to get their eyes open and come out of that.

[tom_roberts]

the world loves masons
they excel by virtue of their ''ties'' to each other

i can not speak for all of them but the one i did know disavowed it on his death bead and seeked Gods salvation

in this little town it seems it was a ''good old boy'' thing
doors opened , contracts were awarded
alliances made

shady stuff and then there is the ''secrecy'' of it all


But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence 1Cor 1:27-29

[Daniel1210]

It's not just the military, they are all over the place in law enforecement and firefighting, too.

[BrckBrln]

If one is a Mason and serving in the military.. all they have to do is wear the Mason ring... and lo and behold they are picked up for promote. Seen it over and over again. A friend of mine joined the Freemason's about five or so years back. When he went to purchase a car... he gave a "secret" hand shake.. and the dealer knew he was a Mason cause he gave it back. My friend got 5000$ knocked off the price after he did this gesture.

Well that just has to be the work of satan.

[Waiting2go]

Well that just has to be the work of satan.

FYI, it IS the work of Satan. ANYTHING associated with Freemasons is the work of Satan.

It would really be nice if you could cut out the sarcastic remarks. This is a Christian board where we come to learn, share and fellowship.

Please go do some research on this subject. Also, listen to some of us here who know about it firsthand. There are several members that have family members involved in Freemasons (myself included) or just know people who are. There is alot that can be learned from those with life experiences and those who have done tons of research.

[Revelator]

Revelator - thank you for that post from Billy Graham's website. I have long enjoyed Billy Graham and found his sermons and books very scriptually sound. I've been pleased to see his children following in his footsteps and especially happy with the way they always get the message out about Jesus at every chance.

Your welcome, ChristinGal. I agree that God has used Billy mightily in reaching the world with the Gospel.

Sometimes it's just easier for people to believe the sensationalists and crackpots that inhabit he internet.

[BlessedinHim]

the masons is a ravenous wolf is sheepskins.
They come as that angel of light.
but they are ready to steel your soul.

some of the things they have to agree to in there is horrible.
they have to claim that they are the I AM. that is in one of their rites of passage in the early beginnings.

They have to vow to their innards being spilled out and their throat cut if they do not keep secret the things they are intrusted with.

It has been a little while since I have read up on it, but that is what I remember. They have "sacred" garments like the mormons do.

To ask one what they believe, you will only get double speak, what they say means one thing to them and quite something else to you.