The Biblical Argument for the Rebuilding of Babylon *Merged*

[Mr. Duffee]

Mr. Duffee , just so you know, Fruchtenbaum does not believe that the AC destroys his own capital. He teaches that the ten horns destroy religious Babylon at the middle of the trib, but that the actual city itself is destroyed at the end of the trib by believing gentile nations.

Understood. Thanks.

[tbrian40]

I am researching the other side of the story--the actual practices which occurred during the dates of Babylonian rule. Pagan worship. Scary stuff. Babylon was a major trade route to the known world at the time. Many idol and witchcraft practices took place. I do not recommend anyone reading up on this who has a weak faith. There are similarities of the AC empire being Islamic by order. The most striking one is beheading...Islam still practices this violent act within its judicial system. "Mystery" might be an implication that God Almighty knows all and sees all that the wicked are doing and are planning to do. I am sure that we as true saints will not be here...the Holy Spirit must be removed from earth before the AC reveals himself. Praise God. Revelations ch. 4 tells us this. I am so longing for that awesome day! The research has to be reputable and historically accurate (this will be hard because history was not written down as often or the relics therein haven't been discovered).

[Anymomentnow]

Sixteen years from today seems way too long.........., unless there is a major time gap between the rapture and the tribulation.

there lies the answer to this conundrum. It could only be a literal Babylon city rebuilt if there is a substantial gap between the rapture and the tribulation. And there may well be!!!!

[gma dolittle]

So to answer her question of which I am not an authority how quickly do you think we can get Babylon to be a commercial world power in order to justify our feeling of Christ coming back really soon. Because if your convinced that Babylon will be Babylon how long do you guesstimate that will take? If anything seems to be in the way of a really soon return Id think it would be this Babylon thing taking a long time to get up to snuff. Anyone have any theories of Babylon being the actual Babylon but not taking 25-50 years for it to be so???? or does Babylon even have to be that way before we can be taken out of here. Cus to be honest I am really rooting for a time frame of much less than that.

Jeffery,
It is my understanding that the physical Babylon will be rebuilt. Also the new World Order is organized and controlled by the Antichrist. I believe the Rapture will occur before that happens and we will not even know who the Antichrist is! In 1982, Saddam rebuilt the Istar gate and reconstructed Nebuchadnezzar'a 600 room palace and built himself a palace adjectent to it, all the while carring on a seven year war with Iran. They were never lived in and soldiers found in 2004 that thieves had broken in and much of the opulance was either stolen or destroyed. We will not see Babylon rebuilt! Praise God! Grandma

[waiting1]

Dubai isn't Babylon, but it does show how fast a major city can grow.

Dubai 1991




Dubai 2005




Dubai 2007

Links Instead to images?????

[waiting1]

If you read the Scripture in Revelation it is about like something being done on Wall Street such as trading and selling. The AC may just set up a lavish palace type setup there with a throne and mansion and such as what he would feel he needs. Who is to say "It Needs To Be Finished" as a city. The AC may have it as a continuous work in progress and God Just ends it before the end of the Tribulation. IMHO

[dleader]

If you read the Scripture in Revelation it is about like something being done on Wall Street such as trading and selling. The AC may just set up a lavish palace type setup there with a throne and mansion and such as what he would feel he needs. Who is to say "It Needs To Be Finished" as a city. The AC may have it as a continuous work in progress and God Just ends it before the end of the Tribulation. IMHO

That is an interesting thought. Really is any city finished? They keep building on in most places I know of. All ac needs is the technology there to control world commerce. I do imagine there has to be some substantial wealth there based on Rev 18. Oil in Iraq could be a big part of it.

[waiting1]

That is an interesting thought. Really is any city finished? They keep building on in most places I know of. All ac needs is the technology there to control world commerce. I do imagine there has to be some substantial wealth there based on Rev 18. Oil in Iraq could be a big part of it.

How true is that statement.

[Godslove]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before as I didn't read all 26 pages.

I heard a teacher some while back that said Babylon can't be in Iraq because it has no deep water seaport(read rev. 18:17-19).

[Steve53]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before as I didn't read all 26 pages.

I heard a teacher some while back that said Babylon can't be in Iraq because it has no deep water seaport(read rev. 18:17-19).

Read the thread.

[$teve]

This is amazing. We were just discussing yesterday elsewhere on the forum the possibility of the anti-christ launching a major ambitious project in rebuilding the ancient city of Babylon in Iraq.

Such a massive expansionary program is suggested as a possible solution seized by the anti-christ at restoring the world economy from deterioration and collapse and mobilizing millions of unemployed into working expats while rekindling global business activity.

Well I just came across the following article this morning that cites a very interesting report released by the International Energy Agency (IEA) called Iraq Energy Outlook.

Having just had a quick read of the Executive Summary of this report, it is no wonder the anti-christ will look to establish his economic powerhouse in Iraq with ancient Babylon the headquarters!

The IEA report has developed its own baseline scenarios so it doesn't take into account Iraq's full energy production capacities. Yet even with these scenarios, IEA suggest that Iraq has potential to "bring new confidence to global markets" and have the "means to revitalise its economy and take on a new global role and responsibilities that match its potential and the richness of its resource base".

This is all really to me as we consider the stage the world is perched at currently where the trib period seems to be growing closer daily. Read in particular the Executive Summary of the IEA report. It really supports a compelling case for ancient Bablyon being rebuilt given Iraq's incredible energy resources for future global supply. Remember all this can be accomplished very quickly under the authority of the world dictator leveraging a vast pool of globally supplied resources and workforce.

Link to IEA Iraq Energy Outlook Executive Summary:

http://www.iea.org/publications/free...mmaryWEB-1.pdf

A snip of the article is immediately below followed by some key quotes from the IEA report.....


Will Iraq’s energy boom postpone peak oil yet again?
By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Economics Last updated: October 9th, 2012

Well, here is a shocker for the peak oil camp.

Iraq’s oil output will more than double from 2.6 million to 6 million barrels a day (b/d) by the end of the decade. This is 45pc of world oil supply growth over these years.

It will reach 8 million b/d by 2035. By then, Iraq will have overtaken Russia to become the world’s second biggest oil exporter – supplying China with 2 million b/d in a modern marine revival of the silk trade – and earning $200 billion a year in revenues.

It will also be a major gas exporter.

That is the conclusion of a special report by the International Energy Agency on Iraq released this morning.

As a signed-up member of the cheap peak oil club – not quite the same as peak oil – I am watching this with great interests.

As the IEA says, this will require $530 billion of new investment. "The obstacles are formidable: political, logistical, legal, regulatory, financial, lack of security and insufficient skilled labour," it said.

Good luck to the Iraqis. Let us hope that they – with the help of BP, Shell, Exxon, et al – can pull it off.

They would eclipse Iran and transform the strategic balance of power within the Middle East – hopefully for the better, though one never knows.

But right now they have a civil war on one border, a nuclearist, stone-hurling, clerico-Fascist with hyperinflation on a second border, and a near breakdown in relations with Kurdistan inside the country. They have not even passed a hydrocarbon law.

The IEA has long warned that the world faces a horrendous energy crunch before long as the industrial revolutions of Asia come of age, with China alone adding 20 million cars a year already.

Iraq may help to plug part of the gap – with great help from North American shale oil and gas, and perhaps Chinese shale in the future – but I doubt that it will alleviate the full strain.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...oil-yet-again/


IEA Report Exec Summary Quotes

Iraq’s energy sector holds the key to the country’s future prosperity and can make a major contribution to the stability and security of global energy markets.

Contracts already in place with international companies imply an extraordinary increase in oil production capacity, to a level almost five times higher than today’s 3 million barrels per day (mb/d), over the current decade. How this works out in practice will be determined by the speed at which impediments to investment are removed, clarity on how Iraq plans to derive long‐term value from its hydrocarbon wealth, international market conditions and Iraq’s success in consolidating political stability and developing its human resource base.

Achieving the required level of oil production and export will require rapid, co‐ordinated progress all along the energy supply chain.

Deliberately creating spare production capacity cannot be an early Iraqi priority but when, in the longer term, the country’s most pressing needs have been met, its aim to hold a reasonable reserve of spare capacity would bring new confidence to global markets.

With an accelerated rebuilding program, this 'longer term' aim can be short term no probs.

Iraq’s gas balance and its opportunity to have a surplus for export depend on creating incentives to develop its nonassociated
gas resources. In the Central Scenario, gas exports start around 2020 and approach 20 bcm by 2035. The resources and market opportunities are there to expand exports further, as Iraq can potentially provide a very cost‐competitive gas supply to neighbouring countries, to European markets and – via liquefied natural gas – to Asia.

Ditto - my comment on previous point.

Energy resources provide Iraq with a means to revitalise its economy and take on a new global role and responsibilities that match its potential and the richness of its resource base. There is a strong alignment between the needs of the global market for growth in Iraq’s production and the needs of Iraq for revenue to build the foundations of a modern and prosperous economy. Building such an economy and turning the country into a global energy powerhouse will not be an easy task, but this is a prize within the reach of the people of Iraq.

[Buzzardhut]

This is amazing. We were just discussing yesterday elsewhere on the forum the possibility of the anti-christ launching a major ambitious project in rebuilding the ancient city of Babylon in Iraq.

More detail in here: http://www.buzzardhut.net/Cath.htm

[team48fan1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGhHl-W8Wg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhS...eature=related


These may seem unrelated but it proves how quick a building can be built in a short time. At this rate they could build an entire city in months

[dleader]

Wouldn't Nimrod have loved those resources? No bricks to bake or anything. At those rates Babylon could spring up very quickly and there are many workers worldwide who would love to have that kind of job security (building a city for the world ruler AC).

[Jlutz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjGhHl-W8Wg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txhS...eature=related


These may seem unrelated but it proves how quick a building can be built in a short time. At this rate they could build an entire city in months

that is simply amazing

[NoProvision]

I am absolutely positive that the Babylon of the end times and Revelation is the true Babylon not "mystery Babylon" as some would want you to believe. This topic has been addressed several times on this forum.

The NWO would be religion neutral which would never be in the US. I figure the NWO will be setup at a UN location before moving to Babylon,..


JMHO,
Bw

Unless "Theosophy" is not a religion then the NWO will not be religion neutral.

[icebear]

Iraq needs $1 trillion to rebuild: investment head



http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...61f7e28116.181

By Prashant Rao (AFP) – 43 minutes ago
BAGHDAD — Iraq needs up to $1 trillion (784 billion euros) over the next 10 years to rebuild its crumbling infrastructure and battered economy, its investment chief said in an interview on Thursday.
Sami al-Araji's remarks come during the Baghdad International Fair, Iraq's biggest trade showcase in more than 20 years, as the government looks to court foreign investment, diversify the country's oil-dependent economy and reduce unemployment.
"We are talking about the reconstruction of Iraq, a minimum requirement of money ... is about $600-700 billion dollars, and could go all the way to $1 trillion" in the years to 2022, said Araji, director of the National Investment Commission.
Araji said much of that money could come from Iraq's rocketing exports of crude oil, which account for the lion's share of government income, but "some will have to come from foreign and domestic direct investment."
The figure is a marked increase from $186 billion targeted for 2010-2014 -- $100 billion from oil sales and the balance from private investment. Araji said officials were looking to raise investment targets for the 2013-2017 period.
For now, however, investment levels remain sharply lower than those the investment commission chief predicts will be necessary.
According to Araji, Iraq had granted investment licences to both foreign and domestic investors in the past three years worth around $32 billion, most of which was from local sources.
"That's what we're banking on -- both oil sales will go up, and hopefully the investment climate will improve a great deal (so) that it (investment) will be more," he said
"Eventually, (foreign investment) will be much much higher, both as a value and as a percentage."
Araji said that from 2013, Iraq would hold specialised trade fairs for key industries in which it is courting investment such as construction, transport and housing.
He is not the only one pointing to Iraq's massive investment needs in the years ahead. The International Energy Agency said last month the country needed to direct $530 billion solely towards energy infrastructure in the next 23 years, peaking at an annual average of $25 billion this decade.
The 10-day Baghdad International Fair is featuring more than 1,500 companies from Iraq and 20 other countries.
Baghdad has looked to invite foreign companies to help rebuild critical infrastructure, which is crumbling as a result of decades of under investment, as well as to work in several key sectors such as transport, housing and agriculture.
Iraq's state-dominated economy is heavily dependent on exports of crude oil, but while the energy sector accounts for around two-thirds of gross domestic product, it only accounts for one percent of employment.
As a result, joblessness is often cited as a complaint by Iraqis.
The country is also riven with corruption and grappling with byzantine legislation and regulation, all persistent complaints of investors, diplomats and analysts.
Copyright © 2012 AFP. All rights reserved. More »

[Wretched]

Howdy all. This is my first post and I wanted to share what I found recently while preparing for a men's Sunday school class I am teaching on the book of Revelation. I am using a Warren Wiersbe commentary and throughout his commentary he suggests that Babylon is the economic system of the day and that the AC will be the Founder and Leader of the United States of Europe. I google United States of Europe and find an article from this past summer where ten Prime Ministers who are proposing to give authority over their countries to the President of the European Commission.

Revelation 17:12*“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13*They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.

Chapter 17 talks of the Women on the Beast and if you google EU Parliament headquarters you will see a building that strongly resembles the tower of Babel and has statue of a women on the beast.

Based on what I have read so far, Babylon is the economic system led by the European Commision President. < mod edit - posting rule #11, no pinning tail on the AC > I don't know if that is the peace treaty that triggers the beginning of the tribulation but if it is, people get ready cause Jesus is coming soon. I am interested to hear your comments. When I have more time I will post links to the articles I have read that lead me to believe that my commentary may be right.

Wretched.

[MaranathaLJ]

From the evidence of Scripture it does point to a specific city (Revelation 17:9 and 17:18)

The Antichrist uses this religous system to bring the world together 17:15 the Catholic Church does call

themselves the "universal church" "city on 7 hills" Revelation 17:9 everyone would know that was Rome.

Revelation 18:17-18 ... again refers to a city burning, if the shipmaster sees the smoke it really doesnt

make sense for Iraq since it's landlocked. If Rome was burning they definitely would see it.

Believe it was on here the article where the Pope was calling for the need of world government and leader because of the

economic trouble. So it aligns perfectly with what the bible says.

[son of dust]

Iraq needs $1 trillion to rebuild: investment head

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...61f7e28116.181

Only $1 trillion?

Nowadays, that's just chump change - a single Stimulus Bill from the US would suffice.

With a Stimulus Bill and a Bailout Bill, they could rebuild Babylon in five years instead of ten.