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    Default Pope is out of step with Catholics because of his views on homosexuality, says Blair

    The Pope is out of step with ordinary Catholics because of his 'entrenched attitude' to homosexuality, Tony Blair has declared.
    The former Prime Minister said the Vatican was far less tolerant on gay rights and was resisting adapting to modern life.

    Mr Blair, who converted to Catholicism after leaving office, suggested it was too afraid to change its trenchant views because it could lead to a complete overhaul of the faith.

    He also controversially implied that the Catholic Church should reform itself in a similar way to how he reshaped the Labour Party in the 90s

    His public disagreement with the Pope on homosexuality, published today in gay magazine Attitude, is likely to irritate the Vatican.

    It still officially describes homosexuals as 'intrinsically disordered' and brands gay sex a sin.

    Last year, Pope Benedict XVI sparked outrage by suggesting homosexuality was as big a threat to humans as the destruction of the rainforests.

    He said it was 'a more or less strong tendency towards an intrinsic moral evil'.
    Mr Blair has become a high-profile unofficial ambassador for the Catholic faith since he converted in 2007 shortly after stepping down.

    During his time in Downing Street, he was famously told not to 'do God' because it would put off voters but has spoken out on faith increasingly since his departure.

    Asked if he agreed with the Pope's attitude to homosexuality, he told Attitude: 'There is a huge generational difference here.

    'There's probably that same fear amongst religious leaders that if you concede ground on [homosexuality], because attitudes and thinking evolve over time, where does that end?

    'You'd start having to rethink many, many things. If you went and asked the congregation, I think you'd find that their faith is not to be found in those types of entrenched attitudes.'

    He added: 'Organised religions face the same dilemma as political parties when faced with changed circumstances.

    'You can either A: Hold on to your core vote, basically, you know, say "look, let's not break out because if we break out we might lose what we've got, and at least we've got what we've got so let's keep it".

    'Or B: You say "let's accept that the world is changing, and let us work out how we can lead that change and actually reach out".'
    Mr Blair had been widely expected to convert to Catholicism when he left Downing Street - his wife Cherie is a Catholic and their children were brought up in the faith.
    However, his record as Prime Minister sparked questions about how he would easily change faiths and be welcomed by the Church.
    Some Catholics condemned his support for causes apparently inconsistent with Catholic doctrine but senior figures insisted the Pope's welcome was the final word.
    Sources at the time said the former PM would not have to account for his actions and beliefs in the past.

    During his tenure, he presided over crucial changes in law on equal rights including civil partnership and lowering the age of consent to the same as heterosexuals.
    He also has a generally liberal view on abortion and allowed embryo research.

    In the past, Pope Benedict has branded abortion the 'gravest injustice' and refuses to relax the Vatican's vehement opposition to the procedure.

    Last year, the Vatican supported the excommunication of a mother and four doctors who performed an abortion on a nine-year-old girl who was raped by her stepfather

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    Wow, I don't suppose Mr. Blair has an excommunication headed his way does he? Not that, in the grander scheme of things, that matters to us.
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    Default One problem Tony!

    de fide doctrine.


    Tony may have made the political "conversion" but by him saying this profoundly ignorant thing it shows he does not even understand his new, so to speak, faith.


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    Pope is out of step with Catholics because of his views on homosexuality, says Blair
    Hmmm. So that's how it works, huh, Tony. Survey the people to see what they believe and then tell the pope to announce that as the official Catholic doctrine. In that case, there would be no need of a pope at all, just a pollster to find out what they believe and then tell them, "Hey you guys, make sure you stay in step."

    Or if they don't like the pope they've got they could get Obama. That's how he formulates his position on the issues: take a poll and then announce that is your position. So far, it seems to work well for him.

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    I reckon Tony Blair is anathema!
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    I like the part where Blair said we need to change organized religion like how he changed the Labor party in the 90's. We can't change what God has commanded us to do. We created politics thus we can change that but not the word of God.

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    The "Pope" has always been a problematic. (the very IDEA!) However, Tony Blair is going to be even worse.
    1 Thessalonians 5:4 (New International Version)

    4But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by userpen View Post
    take a poll and then announce that is your position. So far, it seems to work well for him.

    Sounds like democracy to me

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