June 20th, 2009, 02:55 PM
Question about a local church
Guys what is your take on a church..they are a non-demoninational that broke of the prespyterians....anyways, their pastor is doing a series this month and next and this month they are discussing the beatles, playing their songs and he is up there using church time to discuss the various view of the beatles and next month he is doing U2. Somehow he ties all things back to Jesus. But my friend attends this church and my pastor preaches the word and says that a pastor shouldn't be up there peaching from a book other than the bible. This pastor has an open Bible in his hand yet there is another book open over top of that one. I posted a link. Now as for me....this is not somewhere I would go. But I want to hear it from others. Perhaps I am over judging, but I would rather over judge than fall into deception. Oh and by the way....the title is called "The Gospel according to the Beatles"
June 20th, 2009, 03:08 PM
I would tell your friend to run as fast as he can and get as far away from that apostasy as his legs will take him. Your pastor is absolutely correct! God's Word has everything that we need for life and godliness.
2 Timothy 2-4
"preach athe word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths."
June 20th, 2009, 04:55 PM
Like they may start singing My Sweet Lord, hara krishna get out of there! I do know this, the Beatles brought in Eastern Mysticism to our Western cultures and the many street drugs became popular at that time.Coincidence? Also there was word that two of them were doing a big gig and they were teaching young children to the form of meditation that the eastern mystics do...
June 21st, 2009, 01:47 PM
readytofly07, I wouldn't be surprised if that church's pastor has Dave Kimball as one of his examples of solid Bible teachers of our time. I would dare suggest it calls itself an "Emerging" church. You can ask your friend if the pastor has touched a lot of passages of the Bible.
One key is that no matter how hard you try to find God and Jesus to general revelation (which is what this crowd has been trying - all the creation and works by the created show attributes of God) the most important parts are only in special revelation which has been recorded reserved in the 66-book Bible. The only to get the central points - sorry, through the Bible only.
So your pastor is absolutely correct and you are not judgmental in saying your friend's church is not preaching the message. <><
June 22nd, 2009, 06:05 AM
I would in no way bring in the Beatles to my church- They were so anti-Christian and heavily into Eastern mysticism. Lennon claimed many a time that Christianity was dead and rock and roll was the new religion. There are even some quotes of his that suggest that he maight have been under demon possession. What correlation would the Bible and the Beatles have together? Unless the pastor would use them as an example of how wicked they were. Just my take.
Here are a few quotes of John Lennons:
"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock and roll or Christianity." -
If being an egomaniac means I believe in what I do
and in my art or my music. Then in that respect you
can call me that... I believe in what I do,
and I'll say it."
I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as
an old man in the sky. I believe that what
people call God is something in all of us. I
believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and
Buddha and all the rest said was right.
It's just that the translations have
"When real music comes to me - the music of the
spheres, the music that surpasses understanding -
that has nothing to do with me, cause I'm just the
channel. The only joy for me is for it to be given
to me, and to transcribe it like a medium...
those moments are what I live for."
"You're just left with yourself all the
time, whatever you do anyway. You've got
to get down to your own God in your own
temple. It's all down to you, mate."
"Song writing is about getting the demon out of
me. It's like being possessed. You try to go to
sleep, but the song won't let you. So you have
to get up and make it into something, and then
you're allowed to sleep. It's always in the
middle of the night, or you're half-awake or
tired, when your critical faculties are switched
off. So letting go is what the whole game is.
Every time you try to put your finger on it, it
slips away. You turn on the lights and the
cockroaches run away. You can never grasp them."
Sounds like a great hero to look up too- huh?
June 23rd, 2009, 01:23 PM
Im not going to be nice, that pastor is a wierdo if preaches on rocknroll to teach you about Christ.
June 23rd, 2009, 06:01 PM
This is David Chadwick's church in Charlotte. I heard his ad a couple weeks ago about the Beatles gospel and I went like this
Every morning on 1110WBT (news talk radio) he gives his 2-3 minute "message of hope" and it's pretty nauseating (there's that word again). Rarely is God ever mentioned in the message, and I don't think I've ever heard Jesus in his messages. Granted, it's a secular radio dial, but if I was a city-wide known pastor I would not compromise any message just so I can give people a false sense of hope based out of man's wisdom. Sure, some of his messages might be biblically based, but you'd never know it if you weren't a believer.
At any rate, they're a major seeker friendly church in the area (obviously), I just didn't realize how bad until I heard the Beatles ad. Truly pathetic.
June 23rd, 2009, 06:05 PM
While I'm on my soap box, I thought I'd also let you know that I'm blessed on a near daily basis to hear our Purple Leader friend Steven Furtick. Why on earth 106.9fm gives him 3 minute air times I have no idea. If I hear "reach your potential" one more time I'm gonna puke.